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Shot in the back, in self-defense

damn_registrars (1103043) writes | about 2 months ago

First Person Shooters (Games) 16

he shot the woman twice in the back while the male accomplice ran away.he shot the woman twice in the back while the male accomplice ran away.

Does the right to self-defense really extend all the way outside your house, into the alleyway, and into the back of the person who is running away from you?

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Slightly heartened... (1)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | about 2 months ago | (#47540249)

...that at least one other person on the planet appears to be troubled by this.

Re:Slightly heartened... (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | about 2 months ago | (#47540729)

...that at least one other person on the planet appears to be troubled by this.

The million-dollar question here, IMHO, is whether or not law enforcement will care enough to consider pressing charges against the shooter. Last I saw there are murder charges being filed against the accomplice of the deceased.

I do think there are some shades of grey in this case, and we need to see what facts come forward from the investigation. From my current vantage point it doesn't seem like there is anyone in this case who is fully a hero, a victim, or a criminal.

I am, at this point, a bit confused as to how an 80 year old with a broken collarbone could muster the strength to chase down two 20-somethings and raise a pistol for a good shot. Amongst other things that part doesn't seem to add up.

In a similar vein, if you look through my journal listings [slashdot.org] you can find that I have more than once turned a light on cases involving incidents where negligent gun ownership resulted in death of innocent people (this is not a case of that) and the gun lobby effectively prevented any charges from being leveled.

Re:Slightly heartened... (1)

gmhowell (26755) | about 2 months ago | (#47548745)

Charging her accomplice with felony murder is pretty clear cut (depending on how the statute is written). Death occurs during the commission of a felony.

The old man... It is going to take a little time. His advanced years would tend towards going to violent defense sooner rather than later. It does seem like a questionable shoot.

So, any thoughts about the doctor who capped his patient last week?

Re:Slightly heartened... (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | about 2 months ago | (#47549393)

Charging her accomplice with felony murder is pretty clear cut (depending on how the statute is written). Death occurs during the commission of a felony.

It does appear that the law was written that way. I don't know that I agree with it, but it needs to be applied as written ... unless, of course it involves someone claiming self-defense in a shooting then the law goes out the window because "justice".

The old man... It is going to take a little time. His advanced years would tend towards going to violent defense sooner rather than later. It does seem like a questionable shoot.

I expect the case will fall off the radar soon. Usually these kinds of shootings don't hold media attention for long. Just like all the innocent young kids who die as a direct result of careless gun owners in this country.

So, any thoughts about the doctor who capped his patient last week?

Are you referring to the case in Philly where the psychiatrist shot the guy who was trying to shoot up the office? I expect we'll see the NRA celebrate that one for a while, until (if) we figure out why the shooter was shooting the place up. We'll probably then find out that the shooter wouldn't have managed to get off many (if any) additional shots of significance and then the whole story will slowly fade away.

He Shot the Pregnant Mother (1)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about 2 months ago | (#47540553)

Desperate enough to try this for the third time...

Re:He Shot the Pregnant Mother (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | about 2 months ago | (#47540759)

That is an interesting choice, indeed. He had two people break into his house. He chased them out of his house and into the alley. Why did he choose to shoot the woman? Even if we ignore the pregnancy aspect, he shot a person in the back while she was running away. I'm not aware of any places where that is legal.

I would think the sane thing to do would have been to call the cops and let them deal with it once the threat ran away. He didn't really solve any problems here, based on the facts we have now.

Unknown (1)

mcgrew (92797) | about 2 months ago | (#47543125)

Investigators would not say whether the shooting occurred inside the home or in the alley behind the house. According to the station, Greer is not under arrest and police are still determining whether or not the homeowner will face charges.

The guy was eighty years old, the young people attacked and robbed him in his own house and had done so before. If he shot her before they left, it was certainly justified. If it was indeed in the alley he should certainly face murder charges. As the article says, that hasn't been determined. Personally, I'm going to withhold judgement.

Re:Unknown (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | about 2 months ago | (#47543241)

If he shot her before they left, it was certainly justified.

I'm not entirely sure that I agree with shooting someone in the back - when they are running away from you - under any circumstances. Granted we don't know exactly what happened, but if that were the case I think it warrants some further investigation.

If it was indeed in the alley he should certainly face murder charges. As the article says, that hasn't been determined. Personally, I'm going to withhold judgement.

Another article on the same event [cbsnews.com] suggests that he may have shot them while inside the house, and then followed them outside and shot the woman twice more in the alley when she was running away:

[Greer] was able to retrieve a gun from another room in the house. He returned to confront the suspects and fired his gun at them while they were still inside his house

...

Police said Greer followed the suspects as they fled the house with what they had stolen and fatally shot Miller outside in an alley

Re:Unknown (1)

mcgrew (92797) | about 2 months ago | (#47549317)

I agree, more investigation is warranted.

Re:Unknown (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | about 2 months ago | (#47549701)

I agree, more investigation is warranted.

I expect though that since it involves a gun the results of the investigation will be buried on page 937 of the local paper (which will be print-only and only circulated to local libraries).

Re:Unknown (1)

gmhowell (26755) | about 2 months ago | (#47548779)

The guy was eighty years old, the young people attacked and robbed him in his own house and had done so before. If he shot her before they left, it was certainly justified. If it was indeed in the alley he should certainly face murder charges. As the article says, that hasn't been determined. Personally, I'm going to withhold judgement.

It involved a gun. DR is going to assume the worst.

Re:Unknown (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | about 2 months ago | (#47549333)

The guy was eighty years old, the young people attacked and robbed him in his own house and had done so before. If he shot her before they left, it was certainly justified. If it was indeed in the alley he should certainly face murder charges. As the article says, that hasn't been determined. Personally, I'm going to withhold judgement.

It involved a gun. DR is going to assume the worst.

I didn't realize I was personally connected to this. In another comment here [slashdot.org] I did offer a link to another news article on it that supports the notion that the old man did chase them out and shoot the woman in the back in they alley [cbsnews.com] . Unless you want to assume that the 80 year old man - who supposedly had a broken collarbone from the incident - shot her in his house, and then dragged her body out into the alley to make some sort of point.

Re:Unknown (1)

gmhowell (26755) | about 2 months ago | (#47551115)

When it comes to guns, you judge first, taking whatever story constructs the best straw man for you to knock down. You never suggest waiting for all of the facts to arrive before casting judgement.

Re:Unknown (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | about 2 months ago | (#47551323)

Nobody is forcing you to read what I write. If you don't like it and don't want to talk about it then feel free to go read someone else's JE. You can allege "judge first" all you want, but you should be aware of the judgment you yourself are casting when you do that.

Re:Unknown (1)

gmhowell (26755) | about 2 months ago | (#47555929)

Nobody is forcing you to read what I write. If you don't like it and don't want to talk about it then feel free to go read someone else's JE. You can allege "judge first" all you want, but you should be aware of the judgment you yourself are casting when you do that.

The difference being that I'm here to entertain myself. I don't get all self congratulatory with my higher goals to improve the plight of my fellow human beings. I'm also not claiming to engage in anything approaching a fair or reasonable discussion. Much like I read and posted for years at Daily Kos (and here), "it's the hypocrisy".

Re:Unknown (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | about 2 months ago | (#47556013)

Nobody is forcing you to read what I write. If you don't like it and don't want to talk about it then feel free to go read someone else's JE. You can allege "judge first" all you want, but you should be aware of the judgment you yourself are casting when you do that.

The difference being that I'm here to entertain myself.

There is no shortage of ego in the stance you are taking in regards to my posts. If you don't want to read what I write, then don't. With the arrogance you are showing currently towards them you don't seem to be enjoying them.

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