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Verbiage: On DS9: Two shallow characters

Chacham (981) writes | more than 9 years ago

User Journal 7

I just started re-watching DS9. I should get all the episodes this time around.

I just started re-watching DS9. I should get all the episodes this time around.

There are two extremely shallow characters on the show. Kira and Winn. I always liked Winn for even though she was so one-dimensional, by the end she sort of had a little depth to her and her evility was more due to who she was than a choice. Almost as if she didn't have the capacity to do otherwise. Kira however, has the ability to not be so shallow, but she refuses to fight her impulsivity, like an impetuous child with out any discipline. And her "inner fights" she has so often are always which desire is stronger, never which is right. Except they pawn her off on the show as being spiritual--which is highly insulting--and when the prophets chose her as a vehicle, i realized the show couldn't be perfect. So while i like hating Winn, i wish someone would re-master the show without Kira.

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ick DS9 (1)

huckda (398277) | more than 9 years ago | (#13094562)

That was one sci-fi I never could get into...
Although I did enjoy watching Reggie Miller's relatives staff the gambling halls and bars.
Why are there no sports in Sci-fi's?
Simply because they are written by non-athletic geeks, or is there a better reason?

Re:ick DS9 (1)

Cyberdyne (104305) | more than 9 years ago | (#13095671)

Why are there no sports in Sci-fi's? Simply because they are written by non-athletic geeks, or is there a better reason?

Well, Commander/Captain Sisko was a big baseball fan (with a particular ball sitting on his office desk, playing in the holodeck every chance he got); TNG featured quite a few references to Parisi Squares (Riker's favorite sport), which also came up in Voyager...

Re:ick DS9 (1)

huckda (398277) | more than 9 years ago | (#13114456)

Parisi Squares ... is that anything like 4-square?
with the big red bouncy ball?

Re:ick DS9 (1)

Cyberdyne (104305) | more than 9 years ago | (#13116227)

Parisi Squares ... is that anything like 4-square? with the big red bouncy ball?

I don't think we ever find out the details - there are quite a few references to it being a very physically demanding game in which players are often injured, but I can't recall ever actually seeing it played in an episode.

Re:ick DS9 (1)

Chacham (981) | more than 9 years ago | (#13096814)

Why are there no sports in Sci-fi's?

Sliders tried it in one episode. Pretty terrible, but at least it was interesting.

Kira and Winn (1)

Tikiman (468059) | more than 9 years ago | (#13095163)

I think Winn had potential to be very interesting, particularly toward the end of season 5 when she was seriously questioning where she stood. But by the end of season 7, she reverted back to the petty, uninteresting Winn of seasons 1 and 2. As for Kira, I really didn't like here the first time I watched the series, when it originally aired. After the second time though, I found she grew on me. She was part of one the rarest things in Star Trek, a love story that actually worked.

Re:Kira and Winn (1)

Chacham (981) | more than 9 years ago | (#13097127)

by the end of season 7, she reverted back to the petty, uninteresting Winn of seasons 1 and 2.

That's where i though she repressed her feelings. I'm going to have to watch for it this time around, but i think her face showed the emotion, as if it was fighting to come out, which it finally did at the very, very end.

Basically, she did things by rote, and then began to believe. The character is supposed to be shallow, and there was a certain sweetness in that.

Well, i'll have to watch some more and see if that fits at least.

As for Kira, I really didn't like here the first time I watched the series, when it originally aired. After the second time though, I found she grew on me.

That's the thing, this time around i hate her even more.

She was part of one the rarest things in Star Trek, a love story that actually worked.

IMO, the only one that didn't work.

They never gave any reason why people liked her, when she challenged everyone and wasn't loyal to anyone unless she needed them. She claimed she disliked politicians, yet that was what she was. Her personality is probably ESFP, but very immature. Possibly polarized from F to T, making her "logical" decisions charged with her uncontrolled emotions. Hmm... maybe ISFP, that may fit even better and would explain the mistake of people thinking she was religous even better. The general term for her would be "unbalanced", but being she did have unbelievable luck when getting the job done, she was kept around.

The best love story on DS9, if you can call it that, was Quark and Oto. Although not intimate, they respected and loved each other, and provided great filler for the show.
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