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Journal a.different.perspect's Journal: Valerie Plame wasn't a covert agent so she couldn't be outed 16

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I'm sorry, but this is a really simple case of liberal BS building up in the drain that is my ear. And yes, I'm sort of comparing my ear to a toilet. That's because lots of liberal crap goes into it, as I've pointed out!

But this Karl Rove stuff really takes the cake. I'm not sure if you wanted the image of food after all that talk of crap, but you've got it, precisely because this Karl Rove liberal propaganda has gone too far.

Rove mentioned that Wilson's wife was "at the agency". Firstly, it was a statement about Wilson, not about her - let alone an exposure of her. Secondly, and correlatively, he didn't give her name. Thirdly, he didn't specify that she was a CIA agent - just "at the agency". Rove said it so offhandedly, and was so unmoved by its implications (and Plame's covert status), that he didn't even bother phrasing this revelation precisely. What does that mean? He didn't know of its implications; he didn't know of Plame's covert status. But you would realize that listening to the vilification he's receiving from the populist nutjobs huddled on the left, whining and pissing themselves with bile.

Rove made a mistake. But it was a very trivial mistake - because, as my headline cogently argues, Plame lived at Langley and she wasn't a covert agent of any kind anymore, unless she was pretending to non-CIA janitor, or something.

The liberal media, however, made it look like the leak meant Plame had to suddenly be tugged out of an explosive situation, or something. That, as we now know, is total liberal propaganda and should be recognized by everyone and such.

I just can't believe how liberals can lie, and lie, and lie, and lie, and lie, with no consequences, and no one in the liberal media calling them up on their enormous logical errors. How can people be so logically inconsistent and be lauded for it?

It has to stop.
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Valerie Plame wasn't a covert agent so she couldn't be outed

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  • Hmm (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Fryth ( 468689 )
    Joe Wilson doesn't sound like a liar to me. He is well-spoken in interviews, and makes a plain case that his wife was a secret agent who was exposed. There would have to be a massive media cover-up and conspiracy for this "disinformation" to be so well-accepted by the general public. I'm going to have to call you out on this one. I don't know the details of Karl Rove's involvement, but she definitely WAS a covert operative, whose career, once exposed, was ruined.
    • Technically, perhaps, she was a covert agent, but not in any practical, meaningful sense. In fact, she'd been nothing more than a Langley analyst since 1997. Hence it was very, very easy for Rove to make his error, and hence it was very, very inconsequential that he did.

      Joe Wilson is a liar. He said quite specifically that it wasn't on Valerie Plame's suggestion that he was sent to corroborate the yellowcake claims; actually, it was on her suggestion (but not her authorization), and his categorical stateme

      • Re:Hmm (Score:2)

        by Enry ( 630 )
        Technically, perhaps, she was a covert agent, but not in any practical, meaningful sense. In fact, she'd been nothing more than a Langley analyst since 1997. Hence it was very, very easy for Rove to make his error, and hence it was very, very inconsequential that he did.

        Irrelevant. If she's a covert agent, then identifying her is a crime. There's no technical part about it. If she's no longer a covert agent, why would the CIA have her listed as such?

    • Joe Wilson doesn't sound like a liar to me.

      Then I'm sure the entire free world will be happy to rely upon you to judge the character of every person from this point forward! Your insightful abilities are all the more stunning considering you've never met the man, don't know him personally, and are basing your entire conclusion on sound bites delivered directly to your TV or browser by the mainstream media. I stand in awe!

      He is well-spoken in interviews, and makes a plain case that his wife was a secret a
      • In fact, Valerie Plame had not been a covert "agent" for at least five years, perhaps even longer -- according to the CIA's own records!

        That hasn't been proven. Whether Valerie Plame travelled outside the US is not known (as of Aug. 1, 2005). Do you really want the CIA to roll over and release an agent's history just to resolve this issue? The administration threatened to punish the leak in the past. There's a reason why they've shifted now and are trying to claim that no crime has been committed. You can a
  • I know there is nothing that I can possibly type to change your mind from such an insanely set position - all I will say is, you people never cease to amaze me with your ostrich stance. Never ever.

    Why do you think there is a justice... ah fuckit, nevermind. Almost fell into the trap. I can't possibly argue with you, like smashing amy head against a fucking brick wall.

    Just... do me a favour. I want you to stop, and think, about the idea that liberals - Americans - just want to bring down America because

    • Firstly, I'd like to extend my sympathies to that guy who you are. Clearly he has a lot to put up with.

      Indeed, it looks as though you're the one with the "insanely set position". You haven't argued against any of my statements about Rove, and you've done nothing to justify yours ("Karl Rove is a traitor" - followed by no reasoning, evidence or thought).

      Your entire post is a series of ad hominem attacks and generalizations you so courteously include me in and then proceed to attack. There is not a single c
      • I didn't reply to be nice to you.

        And I don't believe I did launch any ad hominem but lets let that pass.

        The reason I won't get into it, and shouldn't be getting into it now, is because there is no way to have anything productive come from such a discussion.

        You are trolling. "Valerie Plame was not undercover" is bait. It's not true of course; there is a Justice Department investigation and an army of pissed CIA who have testified to the fact that yes she was a NOC, yes she was undercover, yes the White

  • If no secrets were in fact exposed, why did the CIA ask the Justice Department to investigate the matter? And why did the Justice Department agree do so? And why did Bush pledge to fire whoever leaked her name on September 29 2003, reiterating the pledge on June 10 2004?

    You don't have to be very explicit to be guilty of leaking secrets. If "his wife works at the agency" is enough for a journalist to figure out that Valerie Plame is a covert CIA operative, it's as good as saying so explicitly. This shoul
    • The Justice Department is investigating the leak to evaluate its significance; a determination that the leak was significant and deliberate is a possible outcome of the investigation, not a precursor to it.

      My point about the offhandedness of Rove's leak is not that it diminished the meaning of it (it had little meaning to begin with), but that it indicates how he failed to recognize the importance of what he was saying. To be guilty of anything here, Rove needs to have known what he was leaking was a natio
      • So you've admitted that she technically _was_ a covert agent. And yet you still state the opposite in your sig. So who was lying again?
      • it's not just about her. any cover she used when she was working was immediately blown. perhaps her cover was that she was working for company X. perhaps the CIA have other agents claiming to work for company X. now their cover is blown as well. in some respects, she is the one LEAST damaged by the leak

        rove knew what he was leaking was a national secret, it was marked as classified on all the documents that mentioned it, hence why he said "i've already said too much" when he was leaking it.
      • Isn't it just amazing how little actual thought goes on here at Slashdot? I mean, you've got more than a few comments on your journal here, obviously all from leftists inflamed with you (gasp!) disagreeing with them on factual matter. And here it was I thought liberals were supposed to be so tolerant and respectful of those with alternative opinions.

        You should realize by now you are wasting your time trying to reason with these kind of people. They are not mature, they are not logical, and they are most
  • Rove mentioned that Wilson's wife was "at the agency". Firstly, it was a statement about Wilson, not about her - let alone an exposure of her.

    "Wilson's wife is at the agency." In this sentence "Wilson's" is an adjective modifying "wife". "Wife" is a noun and the subject of the sentence, which by definition makes the sentence a statement about "wife". Reading is fundamental.

    Secondly, and correlatively, he didn't give her name.

    This is willfully naive. He gave information that could easily be used to uniquely
  • Please, Karl Rove may have made a mistake with his wording, and not meant to cause this big thing to happen, but the bottom line is:

    -Karl Rove is the low-blow king of politics, and has been since the beginning of his career.

    -The administration did ignore Wilson's report, cause they wanted to go to war and it was too late to pull back.

    -The administration did "sex up" the intellegence to justify war.

    -The administration was wrong, just like Wilson said

    -The administration LIED saying that Rove and Libby didn't

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