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Snake Pics & Other

glh (14273) writes | more than 9 years ago

User Journal 7

Here are the snake pics as promised (see my last JE if you missed the story).

Here are the snake pics as promised (see my last JE if you missed the story).

In other news, we had an interesting meeting at work yesterday. Apparently, our competition is undercutting our sales and the big reason for this is work being done in India. We had a meeting and it was said that we basically have to start levarging India for resourcing our projects... And no new hiring in the US for entry level people. I think it came accross a little more harsh than it should have. A lot of people were pretty uncomfortable afterwards, and the question was even asked at the meeting- "How do I stay competitive as an american IT professional?"... I think that was on a lot of people's minds. It begs the question- why should anyone pay me 10x the salary that my Indian counterpart is making if they can do the job? Especially if the competition is cutting prices?

Anyone else running into this sort of thing at work? I was just reading in a trade mag how demand for talented IT workers are going up in the US. WHERE?? :) Also, we had a project that we tried to use India for last year that went terribly- all the US based people ended up working twice as hard and redoing a lot of the work because of the poor quality. I'm not saying that is the norm, but it's what happened. Granted, it was a pretty complex project with pretty complex business rules, but everything was documented well and communication was a high priority.

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Snake, India (1)

jfollas (634818) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248607)

That thing would probably have scared me, too, if I saw it in my driveway. It's huge! []

And I can see how it would be confused with the Timber Rattlesnake: e_timber/rattlesnake_timber.html []

In fact, that whole snake ID site is cool (has a wizard if you click on "Quick ID") []

My experiences using offshore resources have been very similar to what you state, and in fact, I have not heard of any 100% success story in all of my travels from anyone using offshore resources. The main problems are directly related to managing project requirements and changes remotely.

I mean, it's hard enough to sometimes manage a project when the developer is in the same room. Add to that the fact that English is not a native language, so there's always going to be at least a little communication issue (usually a lot). Plus (and this is only my observation) the average Indian programmer is not a problem solver--they thrive on taking very detailed specifications with NO AMBIGUITY and producing a functional result. This requires a level of detail in your design specifications that will increase your upfront time requirements by your architect tremendously, otherwise you'll always be having to redo work later.

Another observation based on personal experiences (not meant to be an attack): Offshore Indian programmers are not good User Interface designers/implementors, so expect to do rework there.

Everyone professes that offshore development is the solution to high software prices, and this becomes a big selling point. IMHO, it's an experiment that every company wants to take on, and will use to try to undercut the competition, but it's not a winning business model.

I would bet that the majority of offshore projects are either cancelled, go into extended overruns, or if sold as fixed-cost, will end up with the company losing at least whatever savings they passed on to the client.

Re:Snake, India (1)

glh (14273) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248683)

Thanks for the links on snakes. Hopefully I won't need to use them any time soon... :)

Good points on the India development. I have a feeling we are going to run into the same issues. I think India will need to be involved to some degree, but I just don't see them doing projects that are extremely business critical, not well defined, etc. as you mentioned. That seems to be the common theme. I just hope that businesses realize this before they spend twice the amount on projects and get into more trouble and lose good employees. I think our IT department (including the highest level people) understand this but they are getting a lot of pressure to move as much as possible to India.

Re:Snake, India (1)

jfollas (634818) | more than 9 years ago | (#13249728)

Another alternative which is proving just as bad is onshore Indian resources. Basically, H1B's that are hired by an Indian company to live and work in the States, but otherwise would serve a similar purpose to off-shore equivalents (i.e., cheap labor).

You can get a taste for what it would be like to use offshore Indian resources by hiring from these staffing companies. IMHO, the end result is the same as described earlier, but at least you get to actually see the resource.

Backlash (1)

robi2106 (464558) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271805)

I might suggest to your company that branding the product as "made in the USA" could actually help your sales. Advertising where you engineers / IT staff works might rais your companies image from the "big software giant exploiting trade regulations to make more money by using offshore workers"..... to "Company sticking with its talented employees and developing higher quality vs higher profit margine products."

Just a thought. But if your CEO and / or Board of Directors just want to be shown the money, then you are pretty much screwed.


Holy crow... (1)

SamTheButcher (574069) | more than 9 years ago | (#13248942)

That's a huge snake!

I saw one crossing the road nearby one day, looked to be about the same size. We have lots of open space here. I wish the snake would eat more of the rabbits we have around here....

And I mean this sincerely... (1)

bethanie (675210) | more than 9 years ago | (#13255594)

Nice snake, there, glh. ;-)


Re:And I mean this sincerely... (1)

glh (14273) | more than 9 years ago | (#13265817)

Heh Heh... Thanks, I'll take that as a compliment!! :)

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