Journal the_mad_poster's Journal: Why I Hate Religonists 21
If whacko religionists can't even use a dictionary, what exactly is my motivation for thinking that they're capable of understanding something as complicate as evolutionary biology or concepts born of general relativity?
Sorry, folks. I think that a necessary part of being religous, especially being christian and ESPECIALLY being a christian in America, is preponderance of ignorance. I don't think it's unfair of me to complain about that, and I don't think it's unfair of me to look down on religion as a disease of the mind as a result.
I missed that... (Score:1)
For those that disagree with the Bible, and I really can care less if you do or not, one of the first things they always say is that the book is a work of fiction. Well, quite a bit of it may be.
But, if you strip out God, the miracles, basically anything extraordinary, what are you left with?
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What it looks like is that someone made some shit up by borrowing myths and stories from Buddhism, Judaism, Sol Invictus, Paganism and ye olde Egyptian gods to write the gospel of Mark around AD 70. Then, some enterprising soul(s) expanded it, copied the juicy bits into the gospel of Matthew and Luke and made up s
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But the same could be said about a LOT of novels. Gone With The Wind. H.G. Wells' "The Time Machine" and "20,000 Leagues Under The Sea". Everything by Edgar Allan Poe. Etc.
People set their stories in familiar settings, with cities, recognizable figures, etc.
So arguing that there are historical facts in the bible just doesn't cut it. I could make just as good an argument for the Flying Spaghetti Monster. [wikipedia.org]
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I was addressing the fact that people dismiss the book as a whole as fiction because of parts they disagree with. And I do not disagree with you with anything you said. But then again, I was not making a point that was involved faith or religion.
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It doesn't matter if X really did happen or not, you can't just say "oh, no, it happened" without any evidence and expect people to believe it. Until actual proof of event X surfaces, it's perfectly valid for people to dispute its occurrence, and it's invalid for people to just arbitrarily believe. Just because evidence surfaces later doesn't make those opinions at that time more or less valid. It would o
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And I agree with you. But I still don't know how we got to this discussion from my initial point of saying there is historically accurate information within the bible that was proven to be true from modern historical research.
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a) An irrelevant, random statement.
b) An unfair implication that the presence of historical figures, places, and events is some level of redemption for the bible as an academic reference regarding historical research.
If it's (a) that's fine, I just sort of assumed you were implying that the bible was somehow something other than a work of pure fiction just because it used a few real places, people, and events to tell the story.
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A really short book...
A fairly good historical document of that area of the world in that time.
I doubt there is any significant historical information in the bible that isn't equally or better recorded in other documents. Looking at the bible for historical information about a certain place and time is like looking at a ketchup bottle for nutrition information about tomatoes. You may get an extremely broad ove
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The OT misrepresents Moses and Pharoah. Moses was Pharoah! "Moses" is a Greek version of the Hebrew "Mozhe", itself a rendering of "Ra-Meses" - the familiar Pharoah of the Bible: Ramses II. "Meses" or "Moses" in the old Egyptian means "Son" - Ra-Meses is "Son of Ra," the sun-god. Similar stuff here: http://www.thecreativeuniverse.org/MOSES.htm [thecreativeuniverse.org]
Jews were never "enslaved" in Egypt, a'la Charlton Heston movies. The Hebrew people were a part of the greater Egyptian world, and not yet Monotheist. http [wikipedia.org]
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That is a good one, I'm gonna have to use it sometime.....
Not really a problem of religion (Score:2)
From my point of view, willful ignorance on any subject is a denial of God. You were given a mind. Use it.
The interesting thing about Revelations
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i'd add that self-righteousness is as ugly outside the bounds of religion as it is when it's a part of religion.
tmp hates me. ok.
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A good rule of thumb is that no matter what I'm saying about anyone at any point in time, odds are pretty good that even if you're not a part of that group at that time, you're still going to piss me off for some reason or other eventually.
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sometimes i hate everybody; sometimes i love everybody. depends how that day is going.
someday i hope all the people can come together and just enjoy watching beyond thunderdome.
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Goddammit, if that isn't one fucking ignorant statement!!!
I usually love everybody and just get pissed at aspects of people. sometimes, i reckon, i do hate every driver on the road. it's that "type a" part of my personality i'm fighting to this day.
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Come now, smoochybunnykins. I happen to know you're my very special snugglewoogums.
Cheers,
Ethelred
A religionist? (Score:2)
But not as we commonly understand such today.
If you look at Einstein's words, he certainly did not believe in the fundamentalist God who is always fiddling with the works and breaking the rules by which the universe operated. To Einstein, God was the rules, and thus utterly remote, impersonal and ultimately mindless. This is deism, more or less.
And on top of that, he was wrong. The Universe not only throws dice, it does it where they cannot be seen. Iro
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