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Rant: Joe Celko is an idiot. (2)

Chacham (981) writes | more than 7 years ago

User Journal 4

Joe Celko is at it again in this thread about string and numerics.

The guy is obviously intelligent, yet his manners are atrocious. He generally insults, and only sometimes answers the question.

What an idiot.

Joe Celko is at it again in this thread about string and numerics.

The guy is obviously intelligent, yet his manners are atrocious. He generally insults, and only sometimes answers the question.

What an idiot.

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IDs and ID10T's. (1)

rholliday (754515) | more than 7 years ago | (#14092868)

I hate it when people develop God complexes. Just because you write books about something doesn't mean you invented it and are the Sole Speaker of the Truth®. And table primary key names. What an issue to be worked up over. At least the other guys (and yourself) are discussing things with relative calm. I'm afraid I'm unrefined enough that I always just use 'id' as an auto_increment int(11) and never look back. But then again I just make games and nonsense sites, not Important Software.

Re:IDs and ID10T's. (1)

Chacham (981) | more than 7 years ago | (#14093390)

At least the other guys (and yourself) are discussing things with relative calm

Yeah.

Serge knows his stuff, and is generally likeable. His communication style could probably use some help though. But i don't mind.

The other guy has a point, though i believe him to be incorrect. Who knows, maybe i'll even learn something? :)

I do believe, however, in a SQL Server newsgroup i'd be laughed out for caring, and in an Oracle group i'd be praised for defending the "Truth", here though, in an IBM group, which stands on both sides, it's a fight.

I'm afraid I'm unrefined enough that I always just use 'id' as an auto_increment int(11) and never look back.

That's usually a good idea. Except, i like a TRIGGER intead of autoincrement which is just plain wrong, and int should be better than int(11).

But then again I just make games and nonsense sites, not Important Software.

So you're the one who has all the fun?

Re:IDs and ID10T's. (1)

rholliday (754515) | more than 8 years ago | (#14096896)

I do believe, however, in a SQL Server newsgroup i'd be laughed out for caring, and in an Oracle group i'd be praised for defending the "Truth", here though, in an IBM group, which stands on both sides, it's a fight.

Well, we here at IBM like to support all sides. Part of our mandatory Diversity Training [slashdot.org] , you know.

That's usually a good idea. Except, i like a TRIGGER intead of autoincrement which is just plain wrong, and int should be better than int(11).

The day I build something that requires an id larger than int(11) is the day ... I don't know. It won't be that day, though. And when I select int on my silly host's interface it defaults to int(11), so I keep it for consitency.

So you're the one who has all the fun?

What is this "fun" of which you speak? Is this a new data type?

Re:IDs and ID10T's. (1)

Chacham (981) | more than 8 years ago | (#14101071)

Well, we here at IBM like to support all sides. Part of our mandatory Diversity Training, you know.

Heh. :)

But i think it hurts int he DB itself. With no clear path, people do as they wish, which then needs to be supported more, and the DB is optimized for nothing.

I find DB2 to be quite tedious to use effectively.

The day I build something that requires an id larger than int(11) is the day ... I don't know. It won't be that day, though. And when I select int on my silly host's interface it defaults to int(11), so I keep it for consitency.

Ah, ok. I just thought INTEGER is best, as the limits is decided by the bytes, not some extra rule that come in afterwards like "(11)".

What is this "fun" of which you speak? Is this a new data type? :)

I mean you actually get up and do stuff. I just think about it, talk about it, and complain that if someone else would help me then..., but i never do any of it.

That's why i never finished my mail server (i should provide a link (to an earlier JE or two where i've mentioned it), but i can't find it too easily). Bah!
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