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[Football] Champeeeeens!

FortKnox (169099) writes | more than 8 years ago

User Journal 29

Yeah, you're waiting for it. Superbowl champions! The Steelers are the best team in the world!!!
Two quick things:
If you are Seattle and bitching about the calls, the Steelers have had worse calls throughout the playoffs and STILL won (see Indy vs Pitt in divisional round if you don't believe me).
Two, if you are a Bengals fan whining cause "if Carson wasn't injured, we'd be in the Superbowl" quit getting ahead of yoruself. You don't have the run defense to handle Indy, Denver, OYeah, you're waiting for it. Superbowl champions! The Steelers are the best team in the world!!!
Two quick things:
If you are Seattle and bitching about the calls, the Steelers have had worse calls throughout the playoffs and STILL won (see Indy vs Pitt in divisional round if you don't believe me).
Two, if you are a Bengals fan whining cause "if Carson wasn't injured, we'd be in the Superbowl" quit getting ahead of yoruself. You don't have the run defense to handle Indy, Denver, OR Seattle. Next year, though, you should be a contender.

I'm wiped out, so I'll just end it.


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yeahhh boiiiii (1)

ellem (147712) | more than 8 years ago | (#14648264)



Re:yeahhh boiiiii (1)

Iamthefallen (523816) | more than 8 years ago | (#14648293)

I have to say, I haven't seen the Steelers much, but one thing really impressed me.

No fucking showboating. No dancing, jumping or acting out some little "improvised" skit. Just get the ball into the endzone, put it down, and go back and do it again.

That alone makes me want to watch them next year.

Good game.

Re:yeahhh boiiiii (1)

Abm0raz (668337) | more than 8 years ago | (#14648974)

You forgot "Aitch", much in the same manner that Bush forgot Poland.

-Ab (Us 'Burghers take the unique spelling of our hamlet seriously)

Re:yeahhh boiiiii (1)

ellem (147712) | more than 8 years ago | (#14649522)

do you have any idea how many beers I drank last night? No serioulsy, I don't know and my head is killing me.

Good game (1)

baldass_newbie (136609) | more than 8 years ago | (#14648326)

Yeah, two VERY weak calls (whenever Seattle was threatening, boy those refs had a flag handy.) Effectively, that was 14 points. I saw Hines Ward get a key first down after a push off that made the one in the end zone look like a walk-by. Hey, the refs have to make money to, right?
But they got it done despite Ben's slow start.
Hey, I like Cowher and the Rooneys. I just can't believe that Tommy Maddox is getting a Super Bowl ring.
Again, congrats.

BTW what is up with Holmgren and poor clock management? I am pretty sure I saw his protege Andy Reid do the EXACT SAME STUPIDNESS last year. Ye gods.

Holmgren (1)

sulli (195030) | more than 8 years ago | (#14648341)

It was just awful listening to Madden call the right plays for Seattle (spike! go for the FG NOW!) and seeing Seattle pay no attention to the clock. Seriously, WTF?

Great game by Pittsburgh, though. Really loved the Randle El TD throw. Put him at QB and Big Ben at free safety for a down or two, see what happens!

Re:Holmgren (1)

baldass_newbie (136609) | more than 8 years ago | (#14648468)

Ben was definitely laying some hits out there.
And Madden was showing why he is a HOF coach.

You know, 'gadget' plays are one reason I like Cowher. As meat and potatoes (boy I'm mixing's late) anyway, as meat and potatoes as he is, he still mixes is up and does try to innovate (cf. Slash).

Overall solid game. Pittsburgh stayed in it even after a rocky start and finished the deal. Very good game.
But Holmgren should get ripped for that lack of clock management.

Re:Holmgren (1)

Ethelred Unraed (32954) | more than 8 years ago | (#14649771)

Ya, I agree about Madden. I didn't see the game (had work to do and anyway kickoff was at midnight here), but I've always thought he made a good commentator just because of his coaching skills. Of course, I do get the impression he was a lot better with Summerall, who kept him from running his mouth too much with inane banter, but Madden does know the game like few other people.

Hell, he thoroughly out-coached my hero Joe Gibbs in the Super Bowl XVIII, and Gibbs is one of the other few people who know the game inside and out.

Oh yeah, congrats to the Steelers. At long last, one for the thumb. Brings back memories of the '70s when I had black and yellow on my school desk (largely because I always hated the Cowboys). :-)



Re:Holmgren (1)

Ethelred Unraed (32954) | more than 8 years ago | (#14649796)

Hell, he thoroughly out-coached my hero Joe Gibbs in the Super Bowl XVIII

And I hereby demonstrate that I should post after having a gallon of coffee.

Well, I just proved that Madden knows the game better than I do. ;-P

(Madden didn't coach the Raiders in XVIII. That was Flores. Eessh, I'm going to crawl under my rock now.)



Re:Holmgren (1)

baldass_newbie (136609) | more than 8 years ago | (#14650087)

No worries. Most of us try to forget Flores who also beat my Iggles in XV with Plunkett at QB (and the game's MVP.)

Alright, trivia time. The only Iggle to catch a TD in that Super Bowl was Keith Krepfle...great bar trivia in its own right, however, the hint to give is that Mick Jagger wore his jersey during the '83 'Tattoo You' tour. Most folks thought it was a Jets uni, but it wasn't.

Don't you feel enriched?

Re:Holmgren (1)

Ethelred Unraed (32954) | more than 8 years ago | (#14650426)

Heh. Yeah, I actually dimly remember the bit about the jersey, and being surprised at how many people couldn't recognize an Eagles jersey in spite of their having just been in the Super Bowl.

Your remark above about Cowhen's gadgetry in playcalling reminds me, though, that Gibbs also used to like to use off-the-wall plays -- remember the flea flicker?

Of course unfortunately for Gibbs, he used it a couple times too many, and it backfired in XVII. (The 'Skins still won, but that play was a rather inglorious moment, ending in an INT as it did...) He also liked to try a reverse or two, and screen passes were always a good idea in the blitz-happy NFC of those days...

Meanwhile, one of my favorite trick plays for its sheer audacity and crazy idea is the Fumblerooski [] .

I like Madden's old style more, myself -- just grind them down, nothing fancy. Good old three yards and a cloud of dust. Fans scream that it's boring, but winning is never boring, if you ask me...



Whatever (1)

Saige (53303) | more than 8 years ago | (#14648458)

Say whatever you want.

It still wasn't a TD. And it never will be.

Yes it was (1)

sulli (195030) | more than 8 years ago | (#14650669)

The ball crossed the line. But the Seahawks' TD was also a TD, and they shouldn't have made that lame offensive interference call. (Steelers would have won anyway, but they sure gut help from the officials.)

Congratulations... (1)

WIAKywbfatw (307557) | more than 8 years ago | (#14648683)

As a Titans fan, I was torn who to root for. On the one hand, I have no great love for the Steelers, but on the other hand they were the AFC representative. To be honest, if you had asked me before the game who I would rather have seen win then my answer would have been the Seahawks, because I think their fans deserved some success at last: over the years, there have been some truly awful Seahawks teams.

But, having said that, it was nice to see loyalty rewarded. Watching the international broadcast (truly an awful experience: please, I don't need to be reminded of every basic detail of American football like I'm an idiot, I'm watching the game because I'm a fan, and I know how the game's played) there have been 141 coaching changes around the league since Bill Cowher first took charge of the Steelers. That alone says volumes about both Cowher, the Rooney family and the Steelers organisation. This isn't a franchise, it's a team, and even though it's a team I hate, I truly respect that.

Congratulations to all those in Steeler-land: savour it while it lasts, and suck every last minute of joy out of your well-earnt success. Commiserations to all those dejected Seahawks fans: some tough calls went against you, but take it on the chin and come back stronger next year.

PS. The Rolling Stones are too old for this shit. I got no satisfaction from that half-time show.

Re:Congratulations... (1)

bofkentucky (555107) | more than 8 years ago | (#14648833)

jeez, I thought I was the only titan's fan on the dot. Its still going to be rough next year from the looks of things. What's your call on moving up to get young or bush at the 2. Getting young will piss off volek, but I don't see him as a long term solution.

Re:Congratulations... (1)

WIAKywbfatw (307557) | more than 8 years ago | (#14649944)

Heh, I thought I was the only Titans fan around here too.

Billy Volek is touted as being one of the best backup QBs in the league, but I remember the same thing being said about Cody Carlson when he was Warren Moon's backup back when the team was in its final few years in Houston.

What happened then is a lesson that needs to be learnt: given the choice of continuing with a productive Moon (it wasn't solely his fault that the team was prone to self-destructing in the playoffs) or going with the younger Carlson, the then Oilers went with the latter option, and shipped Moon out of town for, if I remember correctly, a third-round draft pick.

At the time, I was livid. Who trades one of the most prolific passers in pro football history away for a third rounder when the alternative is a guy who's mostly worked on mop-up duty? Of course, Carlson crashed and burned, Moon carried on being productive in Minnesota and elsewhere. The conspiracy theorist in me thinks that, on the cusp of the franchise's move from Houston to Tennessee, the team was intentionally set up to fail, so as to reduce the amount of heat that the ownership and the front office would take. After all, losing a winning team is a lot harder for all but the staunchest fans to take than losing a basement dweller.

Anyway, fast forward a few years. The Moon-Carlson situation is echoing in my ears when I hear talk of the current Steve McNair-Volek one. I don't think that anyone's close to running McNair out of town (in Houston, Moon was also horrifically abused by some "fans" who punished losses by spreading rumours that he had AIDS), but if I was Steve McNair and I looked at my health and I looked at the state of my team then retirement would be really attractive right now. Playing a few more years versus not living the rest of your life in agonising pain is a decision that too many NFL players have to make, and I think that it's probably one that McNair's making right now.

If McNair retires (as I think is probable) then where does that leave the Titans? Is Volek really the answer? My gut says no but then my head also thinks that high first-round draft picks aren't the sure-things that their agents like to think that they are - it's not called a lottery for nothing.

Cap-wise, they might not be as tied-up as they had been for so much of this decade, but surely they can't afford to make the fiscal mistakes of the past and spend money like it's water and hope that heavenly success on the field comes before the pain of cap hell off of it. Other teams have managed to keep cap-healthy and win, so there's no reason why the Titans can't try it too. The Titans have so many needs in so many areas, so this, coupled with the cap, suggests that trading down might not be an entirely disasterous move.

No matter who is at quarterback, the Titans aren't going to be winning the show in 2006. 2007 would be pretty unlikely too. So, you're talking about 2008 before we can realistically think about any game with roman numerals in it. I can't imagine Volek being the guy who leads the team onto the field for its second Super Bowl appearance but I'm sure that there were plenty of people who said that Matt Hasselbeck would never get the Seahawks to the Super Bowl either.

If the running back is still there by the time the Titans pick then take him. Give Volek a shot with a decent running game and see what happens. If the QBs are the option then seriously consider trading down: there will always be some offer on the table from some team that wants a "can't miss" prospect who could just as easily turn out to be Rick Mirer instead of Peyton Manning.

Whatever happens in the next few years, stick with Jeff Fisher and do a better job of not losing any more of the coaching staff: continuity there will breed success, and it's no coincidence that the Titans, like most of the teams in the league, do best when the turnover of coaching personnel is limited and when the staff is secure. Which brings me back to Bill Cowher.

And that's the short version.

The calls (1)

nocomment (239368) | more than 8 years ago | (#14648977)

I am annoyed at the calls. The fact of the matter is that there was 2 significant ones that really could have effected the game. The other fact is that the Steelers played a better game and deserved to win though. Congrats. Same time next year? :-)

my predictions only held up to halftime (1)

kesuki (321456) | more than 8 years ago | (#14649415)

and yeah bad calls by officials influenced the flow of the game, but i saw many many drives and opportunities for the seahawks to get it done anyways. they let opportunity slip through their fingers. i'm kinda glad that your coach doesn't have his 'yeah but' hanging over his head anymore. first superbowl win for the longest tenured head coach in nfl history... pretty impressive that he kept his job as long as he has.

I'm glad my predition of the coin toss went the way i said it would ;)

Re:my predictions only held up to halftime (1)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 8 years ago | (#14651304)

first superbowl win for the longest tenured head coach in nfl history

He's the longest tenured head coach of the same team in the nfl, currently. Holgren started the same time as Cowher, and Chuck Noll still was head coach longer than Cowher.

Re:my predictions only held up to halftime (1)

kesuki (321456) | more than 8 years ago | (#14651382)

ah, okay, well thanks for clearing that up. if the seahawks stay a strong team next season they may well have another shot at a superbowl again soon, the NFC isn't as hard a conference as the afc, and i don't know what their schedule is like either...

paul allen certaintly has the money to spend on the team (where caps don't prevent it) the steelers have gone a long way with cowher i'm pretty sure he'll be one of those names like lombardi that people just can't forget.

Superbowl... whatever (1)

Tet (2721) | more than 8 years ago | (#14649637)

I did consider attempting to avoid finding out the result until someone deigned to show the game on UK terrestrial television (probably sometime in the next few weeks), but decided it wouldn't work, so I gave in and read .../my/amigos. Congratulations.

Re:Superbowl... whatever (1)

WIAKywbfatw (307557) | more than 8 years ago | (#14649955)

The game was live on ITV.

With the exception of Gary Imlach in Detroit, their coverage was awful (everything from their presenters to their taking the dire NFL International feed), and it almost had me wishing that I was still paying a silly amount for my full Sky subscription.

It puts the bad old years of Mick Luckhurst's woeful presenting on Channel Four into perspective. Come back Mick, all is forgiven.

Re:Superbowl... whatever (1)

Tet (2721) | more than 8 years ago | (#14650015)

Arse! I checked the TV listings last week to see if it would be on, and at the time, it was only going to be shown on Five and one of the Sky Sports channels, neither of which I can receive. Looks like I could have watched it after all :-(

It even had Gabby Logan presenting. She may have been dire for all I know, but as eye candy goes, I've got no complaints...

I was wondering about the fumble that wasn't (1)

FirstNoel (113932) | more than 8 years ago | (#14650072)

On the one play where one of the Seahawks, (Hasselback maybe?), was touched by a Steeler, a second later he fell. I thought the rule was he needed to be touched AFTER his knee hit the ground? He wasn't. The ball then popped out and the Steelers recovered.

FK, any thoughts? You know the rules way better than I do.

The Steelers touchdown was questionable, but I couldn't really see and evidence from the replay that could reverse the call. I would have liked to have seen some thing more definitive.

The push-off was "techinically" a push-off. But as a coworker just said, "there's always that slappy stuff when they're going up for the ball."

Clock management was a big issue. Holgrem screwed the pooh on that.

I was rooting for the "stillers" even though I'm a Niner's fan. Spent 4.5 years in the 'Burgh, some of their team spirit had to rub off on me I guess.

"Yin's goin' don-ton to watch the Stillers?"
It's the only place in the country that actually likes Irn City Beer. (I spell it phonetically on purpose.)

Sean D.

Re:I was wondering about the fumble that wasn't (1)

RevMike (632002) | more than 8 years ago | (#14650434)

On the one play where one of the Seahawks, (Hasselback maybe?), was touched by a Steeler, a second later he fell. I thought the rule was he needed to be touched AFTER his knee hit the ground? He wasn't. The ball then popped out and the Steelers recovered.

If you are touched and then fall down as one clean sequence such that the touch may have helped you go down, you are down by contact.

For example, say you are touched and you stumble but don't fall, then regain your footing and continue running. If later in the play you trip and fall, you are not down and can get up and continue running. However, if you are touched and stumble, or even you are stumbling and are touched, and without regaining your balance you fall, you are down, even if you managed to stumble for another ten yards.

Note that there are a few exceptions. In college football, if you fall you are down with out being touched. In the NFL, if the quarterback is running with the ball and goes into a feet first slide he is down automatically, even without being touched, and defenders must make efforts to avoid hitting the QB in this situation or else they will be penalized. This is to help avoid QB injuries.

Re:I was wondering about the fumble that wasn't (1)

FirstNoel (113932) | more than 8 years ago | (#14650667)

Ok, that's what I was wondering. In that case he was down.

Cool! Thanks!

Steelers may have won (1)

buffer-overflowed (588867) | more than 8 years ago | (#14650685)

But Big Ben cinched how overrated he is.

Re:Steelers may have won (1)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 8 years ago | (#14651328)

Big Ben won all the other playoff games. If he was overrated and had this bad game during any of the other playoff games, the Steelers wouldn't even be in the superbowl.

Glad for the Steelers (1)

NFLFan (878402) | more than 8 years ago | (#14665257)

Real happy for the Steelers (and a little sad). Sad for the Seahawks, they were just terrible and yet they blame the refs. Lost some respect for Mike Holmgren.

The Steelers played the better game and deserved to win. The more I learn about the Steelers and their organization the more I become convinced they are the best in the NFL and everything that is right about sports. Real glad to see Cowher get that monkey off his back, I always thought those people criticized Cowher were idiots. Sadly, people seem to have taken to the thought that the Seahawks lost the game instead of the Steelers winning it and that the officials had way too much influence on the game. The Steelers won and nothing is going to take that away from them now.

Neither team looked that good but the Steelers made the plays while the Seahawks did not. There were some questionable calls but I think that is getting blown out of proportion. Not every questionable call went against the Seahawks. Good teams find a way to overcome such adversity and they certainly had their chances to do so but dropped passes, bad foot work (Jackson near the endzone before half), and bonehead play calls and clock management stopped them. The Seahawks defense just failed to show up, the Steelers stopped themselves a lot but they also made the big plays.

Between Holmgren failing to shake Cowher's hand in a timely fashion and his comments once he got back to Seattle just have having shaking my head. I can accept either action seperately but not together. Cowher clearly was looking for Holmgren after the game and the "big Swede" should have been looking for Cowher. Holmgren was totally wrong making those comments too, I can understand why he feels that way and I think he may have been playing to the crowd some but he just cannot say that. How would he feel if the Seahawks had won and Cowher said that? He could have been a hero by just saying something like, "We played flat and I really mis-managed the game, so we did not deserve to win." The guy is on the competition committee and could try to correct things behind the scenes. It is not cool to devalue other the accomplishments of others.
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