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[NFL] Reggie Bush... BUSTED!

FortKnox (169099) writes | more than 8 years ago

User Journal 13

Feel free to look at this if you aren't familiar with what I'm talking about.
Basically, Reggie Bush's family abruptly and quickly moved out of their $750k house when yahoo sports asked them about the ownership of it. It was purchased by someone in charge of a sports agency. That's a BIG no-no for a college student.
Of course, even if this is true, USC will loFeel free to look at this if you aren't familiar with what I'm talking about.
Basically, Reggie Bush's family abruptly and quickly moved out of their $750k house when yahoo sports asked them about the ownership of it. It was purchased by someone in charge of a sports agency. That's a BIG no-no for a college student.
Of course, even if this is true, USC will lose scholarships, possibly even lose their record from last year, and Reggie Bush will have over 25 million reasons to forget the whole thing in 6 days...

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Honestly... (1)

Otter (3800) | more than 8 years ago | (#15190604)

To me, the biggest news here is that Yahoo Sports does investigative journalism! I hadn't realized there was anyone there besides some perl scripts and syndicated content.

The NCAA really ought to come up with less draconian ways of dealing with these violations in team sports. It's one thing to strip an individual title but to sanction whole teams for something they knew nothing about seems execessive.

Re:Honestly... (1)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 8 years ago | (#15190711)

If they want to be harsh and effective, I'd say if Bush is guilty, make him ineligable for the draft. That will really hit home for players that consider cheating the rules...

Re:Honestly... (1)

Em Emalb (452530) | more than 8 years ago | (#15190869)

cheating the rules?

Ok, fine, yeah, they broke the rules. The rules suck though.

How much monie$ did USC make off of Bush and Co?

Give a little, get a lot. Sounds right to me.

Re:Honestly... (1)

TopShelf (92521) | more than 8 years ago | (#15191698)

The athletes get a great deal out of athletic scholarships - a free college education that for most of them would have been completely out of reach if not for their athletic ability. If they don't like that deal, then go play in the numerous professional avenues to major leagues sports (the minors in baseball, USDL/overseas for basketball, arena/NFL Europe for football, minor league hockey, etc.).

College sports is about the institutional rivalry far more than its about individual players, and the colleges make some money off sports, but on balance it's not a huge amount (when offset against costs).

What I'd like to see is for colleges to sue for damages to their athletic programs - go right after the former players involved. If USC got locked out of bowl games for a couple years, for example, they could easily come up with a damage figure and go after Reggie Bush for it. He was an adult when all of this happened, so treat him like one!

Re:Honestly... (1)

Em Emalb (452530) | more than 8 years ago | (#15195805)

and the colleges make some money off sports, but on balance it's not a huge amount (when offset against costs).

This is false. For playing in the national championship game, they make a huge amount of money, in ticket sales, advertising, not to mention team memorabilia and jersey/t-shirt/hats/coffee mugs/bumper stickers/license plate holder sales alone.

These kids are getting a free education, yes, but what these universities are making off of them is criminal. Don't get me wrong, it's completely immoral for this kid's family to take a $780,000 home as a gift, just because he plays college ball for some booster's favorite university.

Re:Honestly... (1)

TopShelf (92521) | more than 8 years ago | (#15196100)

But then again, how is it criminal? At most big schools, the athletic department is split off into its own corporate entity, with its own set of books, so the revenue generating sports (football, basketball, in some places hockey or baseball) basically subsidize the non-revenue sports like track & field, wrestling, swimming, gymnastics, etc.

It's not like the university staff are raking in mega-$$$ while the kids go hungry. When the coaches do make huge money, it's usually due to endorsement deals and not directly from their contract.

And when it comes to bowl game money, universities generally spend a ton to send the players, the band, staff, etc., so the profit involved may not be as high as you think.

The following is a snippet from a CNN report [] earlier this year:

What may come as a surprise to football fans is that the bowl games themselves are not a big driver of profits for most schools.

The teams that go to the bowls generally have to share these payouts with the other schools in their conference.

Big Ten powerhouse Ohio State had to share its $15.75 million check for making it to the Fiesta Bowl with the other Big Ten schools. But Ohio State's opponent, Notre Dame, as an independent (non-conference) school, got to keep the full $15.75 million. So clearly, the South Bend school was the big financial winner of this year's bowls, even though it lost to Ohio State.

Schools also often have to pay substantial travel expenses for a large contingent that includes players, coaches, band members, cheerleaders and others. Add in ticket purchase requirements and many teams going to less prominent bowls lose money on the trip.

Re:Honestly... (1)

Abm0raz (668337) | more than 8 years ago | (#15200805)

You missed the point on most of the issues:

1. It's *NOT* criminal. It's against the NCAA's rules. The rules say that all players *MUST* be amateurs and cannot accept payment in any way, shape or form for their athletic performance. It's the NCAA's league. It's their rules. If an athelete doesn't like it, he doesn't have to play there. As you said, there are other leagues in other countries (or even the AFL). It may be harder and take longer to break into the NFL that way, but then again, he could've accepted the NCAA's rules and played in college instead.

2. For most colleges/universities, Football or men's basketball are the ONLY financially viable sports (and in some rare occasions, both). They PAY not only their entire costs, but the costs for ALL OTHER SPORTS there. Here at Penn State, the football season brings in more money in our 6-8 homes games + bowl game royalties than all the tution combined. Each sell out home game brings in 109,000 people at $18 per ticket*. That's almost $2,000,000 just in ticket sales. Parking* brings in even more, and that's not counting concession sales. The pay-outs from the Bowl games are enormous, even after sharing. The way the Big-10 works is that the school keeps half, and splits the other half among the other 10 schools evenly. Not only that, but *MOST* bowl games fly the teams, cheerleaders, staff, band, etc... down and pay for the hotels. Let's not forget the increased sales in merchandising for "$TEAM: $YEAR $BOWL Champions!" shirts, hats, pants, bumperstickers, etc...

3. As someone said earlier, the rivalries and pressures to keep up a good team to stay financially viable for the other sports leads to the temptation of paying student athletes under the table with things like a $750,000 house or cars and such, especially from boosters, as well as scholarships. This is why the NCAA created the rules they have. To try and keep the playing field as even as possible. There's no way to legeslate fairly against history, good coaches, and such, but they can try and keep the money playing field level. It's their version of a "Salary cap".

4. There is no way to suspend Bush from the draft. He (allegedly) broke NCAA rules, not NFL rules. Saying the NCAA should ban him from the draft is like saying someone should be banned from Slashdot for posting NSFW pictures on FARK.

5. Not all schools try to hide impropriaties. Some deal with them before the NCAA has to. See: Joe Paterno suspending his NCAA #2 rusher and top reciever for the 1997 Citrus Bowl vs Florida. JoePa suspended Curtis Enis for accepting a *SUIT* from his agent so that he had something nice to wear for interviews between the season's end and the bowl game. Joe Jurevicious was suspended for the game for failing to maintain grades (He got a 2.23 for the semester. PSU policy is that all student scholarship athletes must maintain a 2.3, above the NCAA's 2.0 requirement). These suspensions led almost directly to PSU's 21-6 loss as PSU had the ball on the 1 with goal to go 9 seperate times in the game and could not stuff it in. (not that I'm somewhat bitter as it was the only bowl game I ever got to attend and happened to have seats on that goal line).


* at PSU, ALL seats are the same price. Sideline, luxury box, student section, upper deck, etc... Everything is $18 per ticket. To sit in the student section, you MUST present your student ID at the gate. If you "forgot it" you can pay a $22 "validation fee" to validate that your ticket is real (but we don't actually have tickets, but that's a different story). Parking for tailgating, on the other hand, can run $5/day in the fields, to as much as $50,000/season for the stadium lot. Or you can go park downtown and ride the busses up (~$1.25)

Re:Honestly... (1)

TopShelf (92521) | more than 8 years ago | (#15204672)

Huh? I think you completely misread my post:

#1) You're repeating exactly what I said

#2) Most is a repeat of what I said, and I think you're wrong about the bowls paying to fly everybody in and paying for hotels. I've seen many news stories explaining exactly the opposite.

#4) I never proposed suspending Bush from the draft. My suggestion is for USC to sue his a$$ if they get nailed for serious penalties as a result of this.

Did you just hit reply to the wrong post???

Re:Honestly... (1)

Ethelred Unraed (32954) | more than 8 years ago | (#15192193)

If they want to be harsh and effective, I'd say if Bush is guilty, make him ineligable for the draft.

I really have been reading too many politics sites lately. I read "Bush" and "guilty", thought "censure/impeachment", and really had a hard time parsing the sentence...

As for punishing colleges for the actions of individual players, yeah, it sounds harsh, but OTOH it also removes plausible deniability for colleges and forces them to investigate and police themselves. I doubt the NCAA would actually punish USC if they and Pac 10 show they weren't involved, and USC has a damned good reason to be as up-front as possible. As it is, if that rule wasn't there, the incentives for colleges and players to hide their tracks would be huge and the punishment for doing so minimal.

(Keep in mind also that the NCAA is not a gub'mint institution and is a free if USC doesn't like it, they can always play non-NCAA teams...)



Re:Honestly... (1)

John Harrison (223649) | more than 8 years ago | (#15192368)

by what mechanism do you want to do that? The NCAA doesn't have a thing to say about the NFL draft.

USC is a victim (1)

DaytonCIM (100144) | more than 8 years ago | (#15191917)

I must preface this post: I hate USC.

I hate EVERYTHING about USC.

That said, USC is a victim of their own boosters and players. How, in the information age, do you think for a moment that living in a $783,000 home will go unnoticed?

I have access to public records and from the little I have seen so far, there are a litany of VERY interesting things in regards to Michaels' properties (not just the one on Apple St).

I think you're going to see USC slammed with multiple NCAA sanctions. In addition, I think you're going to see California and Nevada AGs investigate Mr. Michaels and the Sycuan Tribe for real estate fraud and potentially money laundering.

In the end, it's probably a good thing that the Bush family moved out and away from this Michaels character.

Typical liberal claptrap (1)

sulli (195030) | more than 8 years ago | (#15191987)

Always saying everything is Bush's fault.

Re:Typical liberal claptrap (1)

Sqwubbsy (723014) | more than 8 years ago | (#15192709)

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