Journal Whiney Mac Fanboy's Journal: Why is Apple afraid of being PC? 33
There is one thing I really don't understand about Apple. From the first advertisements for the Apple ][, Apple was proud to call their PC line ""Personal Computer"s". Apple continued to be proud of their PC heritage, billing the Lisa as a reinvention of the "Personal Computer".
This continued until as recently as 2000, when Apple was quite happy to advertise the powerMac G5 as the World's fastest "Personal Computer" (at least until they were ordered to pull the ads for being "misleading".)
I can understand why Mac users use the term PC. It's because of a sense of being an outsider & the feeling of superiority the term gives the user (I use a mac, it's not a generic item like a "PC"). On the other hand, I think if Apple were the company it portrayed itself as being (great products, from an ethical, honest company), it wouldn't use the term PC (in opposition to mac), as well as the term "Personal Computer" (when it suits).
Ironically (in the Alanis sense), Apple's most blatantly incorrect usage (Mac Guy / PC Guy ads) has come after Apple's shift to a far more generic PC architecture, which makes it possible to run windows on a mac or os x on non-mac hardware (the 'standard' definition for a PC used to be 'a machine capable of running windows').
What does everyone else think? In this new era where it's possible to run OS X on a Dell, or windows on a Mac, is Apple being intellectually dishonest using the term "Personal Computer" when it suits them and PC disparagingly?
Unsure of intellectual dishonesty (Score:1)
Re:Unsure of intellectual dishonesty (Score:2)
PS I hope your 'Stop the Whine' campaign was effective, although I couldn't care less about the MacBook at the moment as it is but a distant of o
Glad you feel my pain (Score:1)
Re:Glad you feel my pain (Score:2)
Couldn't agree more - one of the really great things about the macbooks is you'll be able to set 1gb partition aside just so you can boot windows and show these ignorant $#@!tards that the problem is not the computer, but something in their network (or whatever).
Thanks for your remarks in this thread btw, it is really nice to see so
Re:Glad you feel my pain (Score:2)
What would you propose they call PCs, then? Or their own computers, when they're generically referring to them as "personal computers", which they are, but never as "PCs", which generally means Windows PCs, as I've discussed elsewhere in this article ad nauseum?
Would it have been better if they had said:
"Hi, I'm a Mac."
"Hi, I'm a Windows PC."
or perhap
You make my brain ache (Score:1)
Personal computer != PC
For the masses:
A Mac is a Mac. Including Apple machines which may not ever have been named 'Macintosh'.
A PC is, as far as the mainstream goes, a Personal Computer running Windows, however, I would not, for one moment, attempt to explain your second point to anyone outside of
Re:You make my brain ache (Score:2)
Looks like noone can really agree on where the line between Mac, PC & Personal Computer!
Re:You make my brain ache (Score:2)
There was a time when "PC" was an initialism for the words "Personal Computer," and people actually thought in those terms. A personal computer
Let's face it: PC doesn't stand for Personal Computer any more than KFC stands for Kentucky Fried Chicken, or SAT stands for Standardized Aptitude Test. They might have begun that way, but now they're just letters, with their own meaning, separate from the actual, origina
Re:You make my brain ache (Score:2)
I think thats actually a reasonable definition. Now if only we can get dictionaries to list PC [reference.com] as such, I'll be happy
Your 'campaign' (Score:1)
Re:Your 'campaign' (Score:2)
I understood what you meant with 'let the baby have his bottle'
much ado about not much (Score:2)
"Personal Computer" as a word means something more general. And as you point out, it sounds like Mac has shifted away from that term, given that your last example of it was over 5 years ago.
"PC" and "Mac" are convenient, balanced, easy to say talking points. (And just l
Re:much ado about not much (Score:2)
My beef is with Apple, for using one term or the other as it suits them.
Re:much ado about not much (Score:2)
I'm trying to think if "personal computer" as a concept is still an important linguistic niche.
It covers desktops, laptops, home, office, etc. But what is a non-personal computer then, these days? Mainframes and the like are encountered so infrequently relative to the "Personal" computer that it doesn't seem like that distinction still needs to be made. Maybe it needs to be made the other direction, to differentiate from other
Re:much ado about not much (Score:2)
They have not in any recent times and/or as part of any coordinated campaign called any of their computers "PCs".
There is no disconnect here. Macs are "personal computers", and it's accurate to call them that at a generic level. But since almost everyone on earth understands "PC", when used as an acronym, to mean a computer running the Windows operating system, it's perfectly accurate and reasonable, given the usage, that Apple not refer to their compute
Hello (Score:2)
No, Apple isn't being disingenous; why does it even matter? "PCs" have come to invariably and unequivocally mean "computers running Windows" to almost all normal human beings. I mean, how many times have we heard about the "Mac" vs "PC" dichotomy? Is a "Mac" a "personal computer"? Of course it is. As Apple sometimes refers to it. Does "PC" stand for "personal computer"? Once again, of course. But is a "Mac" a "PC", in the parlance and vernacular people actually use, using the acronym
I think your allegations are unnecessary (Score:1)
Re:I think your allegations are unnecessary (Score:2)
You're paying attention
Let the baby have his bottle, he amuses me.
+1 Insightful!
thx
Re:I think your allegations are unnecessary (Score:2)
+1 Insightful!
Wait...you take that as a compliment? And by this, you basically admit you're just here for entertainment (either of yourself or others)?
Well, touché, I guess. And thanks for what is at least an honest reply.
Re:I think your allegations are unnecessary (Score:2)
Re:Hello (Score:2)
Which is it? What is your purpose?
To have fun
To provide a counterpoint to people (including you), who seem to have no purpose, but sit on slashdot & spin any piece of bad publicity about Apple (Just how often do you get FP on a negative Apple story anyway?)
Because I enjoy a good train-wreck as much as anyone.
Because of my fans! (thanks guys, if it wasn't for you, I wouldn't still
Linux Uberfanboy with a solution (Score:1)
Now Linux needs a way to differentiate it from the others, afterall you can install Linux on... anything, and answering "mac" or "pc" when someone asks you what the nice xgl effects are just does not cut it.
Linux is the kernel, it is also used as the name for the OS (don't give me that
Re:Linux Uberfanboy with a solution (Score:2)
Interesting.
Maybe we should just refer to boxes by the company or OS that runs on them?
Linux PC, Mac PC, Windows PC?
Re:Linux Uberfanboy with a solution (Score:2)
I just see PCs on one side and servers on the other. The CPU or the OS don't make that much of a difference to what they are called.
But then I've been doing computing for 25 years and I'm no longer interested in converting others to my views. I just use what I find convenient, others can use what they like as long as they don't bother me wit
Re:Linux Uberfanboy with a solution (Score:2)
Likewise. (not for 25 years tho')
Re: (Score:2)
Re:Could be worse... (Score:2)
Yes, yes they do - hopefully, realising that they're running something that only differs from some other intel boxes because of the software its running will give them food for thought.
Re:Could be worse... (Score:2)
Um, the software is the most important part. That's the whole difference to most ordinary people, regardless of whether there's a PowerPC or an Intel CPU inside.
Everyone has got some derogatory thing (like "peecees") to call some competitive product. Whether it's Mercedes and BMW, Ford and Chevy, vi or emacs, or Macs and PCs.
Re:The Mac is a PC... (Score:2)
Re:Why is Apple afraid of being PC? (Score:2)
I think some Alphas (e.g. any Alphas sold or advertised as "Personal Computers") would be PCs - sure.