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Chronicle: (Office) Uninstalled Firefox, installed Mozilla.

Chacham (981) writes | about 8 years ago

User Journal 17

After yesterday's exciting installation of Firefox, i uninstalled it today. I was a bit frustrated this morning when i realized it had automatically reordered my bookmarks. Alphabetical is nice, but not when i'm used to a different setup. Finally, the delay on loading many pages was really bothering me. I couldn't just middle-click on a bunch of links and read them all. I had to wait in between each click for them to load. Even IE is b

After yesterday's exciting installation of Firefox, i uninstalled it today. I was a bit frustrated this morning when i realized it had automatically reordered my bookmarks. Alphabetical is nice, but not when i'm used to a different setup. Finally, the delay on loading many pages was really bothering me. I couldn't just middle-click on a bunch of links and read them all. I had to wait in between each click for them to load. Even IE is better than that (though it's a right-click "open in new window" thing).

So, i installed Mozilla itself. It's not as sleek, and it didn't import everything automagically, and it did reorder my bookmarks. Oh well, i reordered them back, deleted the extra bookmark folders, and renamed the undeletable folder to be one of the imported folders.

The directional arrows and URL line cannot be consolidated into the menubar line, oh well. But, no freezing when pages load. That seems to mean everything to me.

And the password level bar. Very nice. Like a non-beeping seatbelt warning. Informative without being annoying. I'll bet the developers don't vote Democrat.

And my find dialog is back. The find bar on the bottom is a cute idea, but it agitates me. Every single application i use has a popup find window, and kudos to Microsoft (in Office) for not making it modal. In Firefox having it there at the bottom requires me to remind myself where it is. It does have the advantage of being out of the way, and truthfully, it's like emacs (which i am used to) but something about it just didn't feel right. Either way, Mozilla's find fialog is a welcome sight.

So, i guess i don't like Firefox after all. I hope Thunderbird doesn't have these lockup issues.

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Firefox woes... (1)

FroMan (111520) | about 8 years ago | (#16052087)

1. Seach with the url bar in mozilla is superior to firefox's google thinger.
2. No (obvious) option to open a bookmark of tabs by adding instead of replacing tabs.
3. No automatically opening a bookmark of tabs when browser opens.
4. Firefox's search do-hicky (already mentioned).

Other than that it is basically the same thing as mozilla suite. But some of the things that made using mozilla easy and fast (for use, not necessarily quick for loading pages) are missing.

Re:Firefox woes... (1)

Chacham (981) | about 8 years ago | (#16052906)

1. Seach with the url bar in mozilla is superior to firefox's google thinger.

*gasp* You actually search from the bar? :)

2. No (obvious) option to open a bookmark of tabs by adding instead of replacing tabs.

I think i used that once, some time back, for opening mail and news. But, assuming this actually happened, i opted to opening a new window entirely instead.

I found that windows are subject to me, and tabs are parts of that subject. Usally, browsing is all miscellaneous, so there's just a billion tabs in one window, but if i have a predefined set of tabs, a new window seems best.

3. No automatically opening a bookmark of tabs when browser opens.

I vaguely remeber trying that to open mail by default. Now, however, i always open to about:blank, just to get things open, and giving me full control.

Other than that it is basically the same thing as mozilla suite. But some of the things that made using mozilla easy and fast (for use, not necessarily quick for loading pages) are missing.

And, truthfully, i don't find Mozilla to be slow.

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Thanx for the comment.

Re:Firefox woes... (1)

FroMan (111520) | about 8 years ago | (#16053117)

On the first... yeah. I never saw google's homepage. I just punch it into the url bar and hit the down arrow. It is great. ^t type my search, down, enter. Sweet googlieness goodness.

Second. I have a bookmark for all my morning comic and a bookmark for my morning news and such. With mozilla, I'd hit both bookmarks then choose which I am going to look at first for the day. With firefox I have to do the news, then comics. Also, in windowmaker there isn't a nice bar at the bottem for selecting which browser instance you are after. So I'll often wind up with 10+ tabs open, especially if I am searching for techinical information, then get dragged off on a tangent.

Third. Mozilla would open my news pages bookmark when it opened. Now with firefox it opens only the google homepage. I have to go to the bookmarks now.

Fourth. Yeah mozilla wasn't terribley slow. It can be a bit of a memory hog though. Firefox is a bit trimmed down in that respect I think.

Re:Firefox woes... (1)

Chacham (981) | about 8 years ago | (#16054351)

On the first... yeah. I never saw google's homepage. I just punch it into the url bar and hit the down arrow. It is great. ^t type my search, down, enter. Sweet googlieness goodness.

Heh. Just those privacy issues and that i want an *error* not a search when i mistype.

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And thanx for the rest of the comments too.

Re:Firefox woes... (1)

FroMan (111520) | about 8 years ago | (#16054524)

Odd... They know what I punch in for a search anyways, so I am not too concerned. And I more often forgot to hit the down arrow and wound up trying to go to "gphoto2 usb permissions.com" instead, and because of some goofy setup I have with my firewall and routing I'd wind up at my own website.

Re:Firefox woes... (1)

Chacham (981) | about 8 years ago | (#16054542)

Heh.

IIRC, the google toolbar spies on other things as well.

Re:Firefox woes... (1)

FroMan (111520) | about 8 years ago | (#16054675)

No, I wasn't talking about the google toolbar.

In mozilla you can setup so when you type in the address/url bar if you down arrow it'll send you to your search engine of choice. Mine being google.

Re:Firefox woes... (1)

Chacham (981) | about 8 years ago | (#16056742)

Oh, i'm just all muxed ip. :)

I *LOVE* the search bar (1)

Com2Kid (142006) | about 8 years ago | (#16052489)

it is the one feature I want in every other program.

What good is a search dialog box that covers up what I am searching for?

Re:I *LOVE* the search bar (1)

Chacham (981) | about 8 years ago | (#16052863)

it is the one feature I want in every other program.

What does Stephen King's book have to do with programming?

What good is a search dialog box that covers up what I am searching for?

So move the box. Come one, don't be silly. :)

I'm not saying i don't like it, just that i am not used to it.

Re:I *LOVE* the search bar (1)

Com2Kid (142006) | about 8 years ago | (#16053478)


it is the one feature I want in every other program.


What does Stephen King's book have to do with programming?


Sorry, this went right over my head, no idea what you mean.


What good is a search dialog box that covers up what I am searching for?


So move the box. Come one, don't be silly. :)


Oh if only it was that simple.

Often times, what I am searching for is not found the first time. Hit search initially, text ends up under dialog, move dialog box, hit search again.

So of course the next result ends up under the new dialog box position. Move dialog box again.

See how that gets annoying?

Next of course, dialog search boxes cover up the web site, this sucks! I cannot interact with the site while searching, huh? I don't know if Mozilla's search box is the same way, I haven't used Moz in quite awhile.

IE's search is just horrible though, Moz's has to be better, but most of my bad experiences with search dialog boxes come from IE.

Now if you want an actual annoyance with Firefox search, it is that searching inside of text fields is STILL broken. Sometimes. Sometimes it works. ...

Re:I *LOVE* the search bar (1)

Chacham (981) | about 8 years ago | (#16054408)

>>>it is the one feature I want in every other program.
>>What does Stephen King's book have to do with programming?
>Sorry, this went right over my head, no idea what you mean.

Your first word "it" is usually a reference to something earlier stated. Since, however, it is the first word stated, i guessed you meant a title, such as King's "It".

searching for is not found the first time. Hit search initially, text ends up under dialog, move dialog box, hit search again.

So of course the next result ends up under the new dialog box position. Move dialog box again.

See how that gets annoying?


Not really. Under Windows <Alt>-<Space>-<M> arrows, enter, does the job very quickly.

Next of course, dialog search boxes cover up the web site, this sucks! I cannot interact with the site while searching, huh? I don't know if Mozilla's search box is the same way, I haven't used Moz in quite awhile.

True. And that is why i like MS's non-modal find dialogs in office and Visual Studio.

Now if you want an actual annoyance with Firefox search, it is that searching inside of text fields is STILL broken. Sometimes. Sometimes it works. ...

Heh.

And again, i'm not saying FF's way is bad, i'm just not used to it usually.

Re:I *LOVE* the search bar (1)

xYoni69x (652510) | about 8 years ago | (#16054426)

It's a Stephen King book.

That is to say, It is a Stephen King book.

Re:I *LOVE* the search bar (1)

Chacham (981) | about 8 years ago | (#16054506)

It's a Stephen King book.

That is to say, It is a Stephen King book.


And that's a recursive, recursive, recursive *slap* comment.

Re:I *LOVE* the search bar (1)

Com2Kid (142006) | about 8 years ago | (#16056087)

After Chacham mentioned it I remembered.

I've read it. :-p

Hmm (1)

ncc74656 (45571) | about 8 years ago | (#16052963)

After yesterday's exciting installation of Firefox, i uninstalled it today. I was a bit frustrated this morning wehen i realized it had automatically reorded my bookmarks. Alphabetical is nice, but not when i'm used to a different setup.

You can drag bookmarks around (in the menu or in the bookmarks manager) to put them in whatever order you want. (As for me, I almost never use bookmarks as they're tied to a machine. I keep them in an IMAP folder that I can use anywhere.)

Finally, the delay on loading many pages was really bothering me. I couldn't just middle-click on a bunch of links and read them all.

What delay is that? Just a few minutes ago, I went down the list of new JEs and middle-clicked each of them. I'm now reading them in turn.

The directional arrows and URL line cannot be consolidated into the menubar line, oh well.

That's the one thing I miss in IE that would be nice to have in Firefox. In IE, I would leave just the File and Edit menus visible, drag the buttons over the rest of the menubar, leave just back/forward/stop/reload visible, and drag the address bar over the rest of the buttons.

Re:Hmm (1)

Chacham (981) | about 8 years ago | (#16054462)

You can drag bookmarks around (in the menu or in the bookmarks manager) to put them in whatever order you want.

That much i know. I just think the import itself would have been nicer had it left them in the pre-existing order.

(As for me, I almost never use bookmarks as they're tied to a machine. I keep them in an IMAP folder that I can use anywhere.)

Nice idea.

What delay is that? Just a few minutes ago, I went down the list of new JEs and middle-clicked each of them. I'm now reading them in turn.

I found slashdot (as others) froze FF on each loaded page. Maybe it just had to do with my box, or the default setup.

That's the one thing I miss in IE that would be nice to have in Firefox. In IE, I would leave just the File and Edit menus visible, drag the buttons over the rest of the menubar, leave just back/forward/stop/reload visible, and drag the address bar over the rest of the buttons.

That's what i do. And it can be done in FF (as i quickly mentioned in the previous [slashdot.org] JE) when the menu editor is open. It just doesn't seem possible in Mozilla.
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