Journal elmegil's Journal: thought provoking article on cultural demographics.... 34
http://www.macleans.ca/culture/books/article.jsp?content=20061023_134898_134898
Curious what the circle (or the small section who still reads my journal) might think of this.
I pretty much agree with the article (Score:1)
Aaaargh! I'm turning into a extreme-right adherend! ;-)
But there is nothing we can do about it. I cannot afford children for the moment, and even then a maximum of 2 it will be. In the long run the Muslims will win. Such is life.
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At least for now.
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The problem is that genocide has gotten a bit of a stigma 60 years ago. Racism has gotten a similar stigma, even tough it stayed around a bit longer. The problem is political correctness. One cannot call an "asshole" and "asshole" anymore because it is a "socially less friendly person" instead.
Good luck selling genocide and racism to people these days... You'll be banned off-air as soon as you open your mouth. No, it's not censorship, it is "political correctness".
Yes, we are doomed... At least y
only immigration can save us (Score:2)
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Blah blah blah (Score:1)
Egypt's not attacking anyone as long as the Aswan dam exists upstream of Cairo. Iran can't attack Russ
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Demographically, the Muslim world is expanding and has been for some time. Demographically, the European/Western world is shrinking, and has been for some time. At some point, there will be an overwhelming enough number of Muslims versus the older groups in Europe/the West that "the people" will be able and willing to vo
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- 62% Roman Catholic
- 26% no religion
- 6% Muslim
- 2% Protestant
- 2% Other
- 1% Jewish
Let's imagine that the non-Muslim population halves:
- 58% Roman Catholic
- 25% no religion
- 11% Muslim
- 2% Protestant
- 2% Other
- 1% Jewish
And then halves again:
- 52% Roman Catholic
- 23% no religion
- 20% Muslim
- 2% Protestant
- 2% Other
- 1% Jewish
And then halves for a third time:
- 43% Roman Catholic
- 19% no religion
- 33% Muslim
That's three generations down the line, Muslims still can't vote themselves r
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Honestly Leo, you started out arguing against a point the article wasn't even making, I'm not sure how much credibility that leaves you here.
Add in the fact that I'd swear I've seen you making similar arguments about the demographics of fundamentalist Christians versus atheist intellectuals, and I really am confused at your knee jerk rejection.
I think he gets some key points wrong (personally, I think cultural assimilation is a better defense than he doe
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I don't have time to look up the reference right now- but St. Paul had a very nice essay on this in the New Testament. Justice doesn't conflict with freedom when you choose to use your freedom to create justice was the basic concept. Being free to do the right thing was very important in his mind- and that's what Christ bought him.
Seriously, I think the fact that so many get away with so much that is clearly unethical *at the least* in our society
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You are completely ignoring the effect of immigration.
Actually, he isn't. France's non-Muslim population won't be halving that fast -- France in particular actually has a fairly good birthrate (relatively speaking), and Europe in general is becoming increasingly allergic to immigration -- even the new EU members can't immigrate freely within the EU like the old ones can, and if Turkey ever does become a member, it will only happen with severe restrictions on their freedom of movement.
What the article a
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Aaargh -- Cem Özdemir isn't a member of the German parliament anymore -- he's a member of the EU Parliament now. Anyway, the point stands.
For grins and giggles, though, Wikipedia has a list of prominent Turkish Germans [wikipedia.org]. If you don't believe a Turk can look German, try this on for size [wikipedia.org] or this [wikipedia.org] or this [wikipedia.org] or this [wikipedia.org].
Cheers,
Ethelred
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Good formatting (Score:1)
The article asserts that the future belongs to Islam. It then mentions 9/11, which is an external rather than an internal attack -- demographics don't come into that.
It is mentioned that the median age in Palestine is 15.1 years -- which is certainly an interesting point, but an outlier that's not relevant to a discussion of demographics in Europe. Palestinians are reproducing a lot because there are no jobs and litt
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As Ghandi proved- none of those machines work if they are clogged with the dead bodies of their enem
Not to worry ... (Score:2)
All religions decline and die. This time its christianity that's being shuffled off to the trash heap, thanks to better education and communications.
There is nothing to prevent that from happening with any other religion ... until only the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster [venganza.org] is left.
Seriously, this process has happened over and over throughout history. Cultures change, and abandon their roots.
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Islam != Atheism. And if you had RTFAd- you'd see that those with better education and communications are the very ones who are demographically doomed to be forced at gunpoint into the mosques 5 times a day.
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Never said it was. What I said is "This time its christianity that's being shuffled off to the trash heap, thanks to better education and communications."
This has happened plenty of times in human history. We don't see too much worship of Ra the Sun God or Mithras or Thor or Diana or a number of dead religions. People grow out of them, and replace them with the "next big thing", or with nothing.
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This has happened plenty of times in human history. We don't see too much worship of Ra the Sun God or Mithras or Thor or Diana or a number of dead religions. People grow out of them, and replace them with the "next big thing", or with nothing.
Ah, except for by all rights, Islam's Allah Worshipers have nothing to do with better education and communic
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You seem to forget that the arabs gave us quite a lot of culture. Including such concepts as the number zero. They're not all wide-eyed religious zealots bent on destroying the world, no matter now much comfort^Wprofit BushCheneyHalliburton can draw from that position.
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Not since *before* the Reformation. 7th Century Catholicism gave us the Gregorian Chant as well. My argument is that something in Islam recently snapped- changing certain sects from rational religions to irrational ones. Gee- a lot like the Christian Reformation. And in support of my lifecycles of religions theory- right on time too (about 1400 years since Mohammed walked the planet- just as th
I've been saying this for YEARS (Score:2)
Spain needs pregnancies? (Score:1)
Imperial soft landing? (Score:2)
The US's lead in technlogy and resources that saw us rise to dominance in the last century will fade away. Globalization of industrialization and information means that any region has the potential to come together in a bid for power. The time will come when we will not be able to contest such a bid. (The time m
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I think Rome has already shown that this is only burning passengers for fuel to stay aloft.
I love my weird metaphors :)
If we had raped a Catholic Middle East (Score:2)
Ideology is not the basis of conflict - it is a rationalizing and rallying force.
The movie Syriana is flawed, in the complete omission of Israel and international finance, but it makes pretty clear the political causes of 'conflict'.
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I doubt it. Do you know what happens to young Catholic men with no prospects sexually or financially? They become monks.
Ideology is not the basis of conflict - it is a rationalizing and rallying force.
Prior to about 1990, I would have agreed with you. The theology of Individual Jihad changed that.
The movie Syriana is flawed, in the complete omission of Israel and international finance, but it makes pretty clear the political causes of 'conflict'.
But i