Journal eltoyoboyo's Journal: An experience in metamoderation
I originally posted this to CmdrTaco in response to the BeatlesBeatles furor. . .
(The base problem was that a lot of people were mad or jealous about the number of stories certain users got posted, particularly if those users were disliked by a majority. What happened was that nasty offtopic comments about the users were being modded up and actual useful discussion comments were being modded down or ignored.)
This is slashdot ...so everyone gets roasted. If the offtopic posts about an author are getting modded up, and the metamoderators are not nipping that in the bud, then that is how the site works currently. The next step is probably to have periodic meta moderation audits to make sure that the site is going in the direction you want.
Positive Moderation
As a regular metamoderator I can tell you that I can rarely quibble with +1 insightful or +1 interesting. A +1 informative needs to at least have a cross reference or impart real knowledge. But, +1 insightful or +1 interesting on a post that contains an unemotional, plain response always works.
Negative Moderation
The -1 moderations get scrutinized under the hot lights. Roughly, half of the -1 trolls usually are not. But the unfortunate part about being a metamoderator is that you are exposed to the more disgusting real trolls (*YUK*). Probably two out of every three of the -1 offtopic posts really are, including the stupid first posts and repetetive crap flooding. The -1 Redundant moderation is more often than not correct in that the post is redundant. But, is just sending a similar response or common link enough to warrant the stinging rebuke? That is questionable many times. Unfortunately, Troll, Offtopic, and redundant are way overused to attempt to shut someone up with a valid contribution that does not agree with a more vocal faction.
Other moderation
I look at +1 underrated and -1 overrated posts and make a judgement call. It does not seem to be a commonly used mod. +1 Funny . . . well . . . if the rumor is true, that Funny does not count towards your karma, then that is probably for the best.
Today's Example
+1 funny - unfair (judgement call, but hey, you would have stared at anyone who said this out loud. Shameful waste of a mod point in my opinion.)
-1 offtopic - unfair (I won't name the subject, but it is one of the hot buttons on the site. It was a topical post within a +5 thread)
+1 insightful - fair
-1 offtopic - fair
+1 funny - fair
-1 redundant - fair (but probably should have been -1 offtopic)
+1 insightful - fair
+1 informative - fair
+1 insightful - fair
+1 insightful - fair
8 fairs to 2 unfairs is a pretty typical session. Also, 7 upmods to 3 downmods is pretty typical.
User sllort has a great journal entry on moderation: have you read the Moderation Guidelines Addendum?
(The base problem was that a lot of people were mad or jealous about the number of stories certain users got posted, particularly if those users were disliked by a majority. What happened was that nasty offtopic comments about the users were being modded up and actual useful discussion comments were being modded down or ignored.)
This is slashdot
Positive Moderation
As a regular metamoderator I can tell you that I can rarely quibble with +1 insightful or +1 interesting. A +1 informative needs to at least have a cross reference or impart real knowledge. But, +1 insightful or +1 interesting on a post that contains an unemotional, plain response always works.
Negative Moderation
The -1 moderations get scrutinized under the hot lights. Roughly, half of the -1 trolls usually are not. But the unfortunate part about being a metamoderator is that you are exposed to the more disgusting real trolls (*YUK*). Probably two out of every three of the -1 offtopic posts really are, including the stupid first posts and repetetive crap flooding. The -1 Redundant moderation is more often than not correct in that the post is redundant. But, is just sending a similar response or common link enough to warrant the stinging rebuke? That is questionable many times. Unfortunately, Troll, Offtopic, and redundant are way overused to attempt to shut someone up with a valid contribution that does not agree with a more vocal faction.
Other moderation
I look at +1 underrated and -1 overrated posts and make a judgement call. It does not seem to be a commonly used mod. +1 Funny . . . well . . . if the rumor is true, that Funny does not count towards your karma, then that is probably for the best.
Today's Example
+1 funny - unfair (judgement call, but hey, you would have stared at anyone who said this out loud. Shameful waste of a mod point in my opinion.)
-1 offtopic - unfair (I won't name the subject, but it is one of the hot buttons on the site. It was a topical post within a +5 thread)
+1 insightful - fair
-1 offtopic - fair
+1 funny - fair
-1 redundant - fair (but probably should have been -1 offtopic)
+1 insightful - fair
+1 informative - fair
+1 insightful - fair
+1 insightful - fair
8 fairs to 2 unfairs is a pretty typical session. Also, 7 upmods to 3 downmods is pretty typical.
User sllort has a great journal entry on moderation: have you read the Moderation Guidelines Addendum?
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