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Let's suppose a few things here...

Em Emalb (452530) writes | more than 7 years ago

Television 26

Suppose your house in Atlanta was about to sell at the end of the month.

Suppose you plan on spending a nice chunk of the investment monies on the following things:

1) Two HDTVs. One large screen (50"+)for the living room, one smaller (in the 36-42" range) for the bedroom.

2) One receiver for living room

3) One DVD player for living room

4) wireless speakers for living room

Suppose your house in Atlanta was about to sell at the end of the month.

Suppose you plan on spending a nice chunk of the investment monies on the following things:

1) Two HDTVs. One large screen (50"+)for the living room, one smaller (in the 36-42" range) for the bedroom.

2) One receiver for living room

3) One DVD player for living room

4) wireless speakers for living room

If you were to suppose all these things, what would you get? This is my quandary. I'm not looking for a "dream setup", more like, say you had 6k to get all this stuff.

You might ask, Em, why do you need all this shit? Well, the answer is, my current tv doesn't support HD, it's down in my basement, and I have nothing upstairs in the living room to watch. Plus, TV (mainly movies and sports) is a big event in my house, I'd prefer to get a nice set or two for selfish because I can reasons. Capeesh? ;)

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26 comments

Em, why do you need all this shit?? (1)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 7 years ago | (#17904898)

Oh, nevermind.

FYI - its spelled "Capiche"
I'd check Sam's Club. They sell some good big screen HDTV's for pretty inexpensive. I've not researched this in depth, though, so I can't say anything else, except to get a TiVo if you don't have one already...

Re:Em, why do you need all this shit?? (1)

Em Emalb (452530) | more than 7 years ago | (#17905148)

smart ass. :)

Re:Em, why do you need all this shit?? (1)

Abm0raz (668337) | more than 7 years ago | (#17913246)

I bought a 60" LCD HD by Hitachi for $1,600 in September from Circuit City. go look at items, and ask if they have any of last year's models. Having around 10 people over for the Penguins vs. Predators hockey game tonight.

-Ab

Slashchick's blog (1)

pythorlh (236755) | more than 7 years ago | (#17904982)

Just had a post on this... She ended up getting a good deal on Craigslist. I would expect that this time a year is prime for getting slightly used big TVs.

Re:Slashchick's blog (1)

SlashChick (544252) | more than 7 years ago | (#17908340)

I came in here to mention my blog entry, and find that you already had. Thanks! :)

Yes, craigslist. Panasonic seems to be the recommended plasma TV by FAR. I got the Panasonic 50" for $1400 out the door from some dude who moved and it wouldn't fit in his new house. The manuf. sticker on the back says "August 2006." And, apparently, the warranties are transferable, though I haven't tried that yet. The picture is STUNNING. Must be seen in 1080i to be believed. Simply amazing, and looks great in my living room. :)

I have a Denon receiver that I bought in 2000. I bought a new Tivo Series 3 and ran HDMI from the Tivo to the TV, then digital optical from the TV to my old Denon. (I'd definitely buy a Denon again.) Then I went into the TV's menus and hit the option to turn the speakers off. Works beautifully and the sound quality is GREAT.

I have Infinity speakers with an Energy 10" sub, and that setup is nice too (also circa 2000.) Check avsforum.com for reviews of all the equipment, then hit up craigslist. Just keep in mind that you'll probably be 1 generation behind by buying used, but if my Denon purchased in 2000 sounds that good, you shouldn't have a problem finding something you'll like. Definitely pick up the DVD player on craigslist, too... there are a bazillion of those and you should be easily able to get 50-70% off retail.

You're in ATL, right? Well, here, you can get a better deal than I did: http://atlanta.craigslist.org/ele/273127811.html [craigslist.org] Holy cow is that a good price! I'd recommend picking up receivers and speakers on craigslist too. People get really desperate when they have to move.

HTH!

Re:Slashchick's blog (1)

Em Emalb (452530) | more than 7 years ago | (#17908436)

Thanks for the info. I *was* in Atlanta, now I'm in NOVA. ;)

Re:Slashchick's blog (1)

SlashChick (544252) | more than 7 years ago | (#17908578)

Check that craigslist, then. ;)

i'd say (1)

Blackneto (516458) | more than 7 years ago | (#17905036)

I'm wasting my time here in Normal.

Re:i'd say (1)

Em Emalb (452530) | more than 7 years ago | (#17905176)

heh.

There's a reason I moved up here to VA, bro.

bedroom TV (1)

rdewald (229443) | more than 7 years ago | (#17905246)

I just helped a friend purchase a 40" Samsung LCD (out the door for $1950). You can save a nice chunk of change by going down to 37". Your decision at this time is whether or not to bother with 1080p (vert resolution). We agonized over this a lot, it comes at a price, but the difference is hard to miss.

However, this was a primary, living room TV. If it were a bedroom TV our calculus might have been different.

In any case, what a fun problem to have!

You might want to go plasma for the larger one, remember these are a bear to transport and mount--very fragile. Setting up the LCD set was no more difficult than any other TV.

DVD is tough, the HD wars are on. If I had to choose right now, I'd go with the non-BluRay standard, if for no other reason than that's what the porn industry is doing. I don't watch porn, but they are a major heavyweight and probably were responsible for the (similar) death of betamax back when you were a wee tyke.

But, you can also get a regular DVD player for a pittance right now and wait this out until Christmas this year, I expect it will be worked out by then.

Receiver: make sure it can pass-through the HD signal if you're hooking up your TV to it. I've been happy with Yamaha products.

Wireless speakers: Buy them locally, i.e., make sure you can take them back. It's all about the environment they're in....

Re:bedroom TV (1)

Em Emalb (452530) | more than 7 years ago | (#17905492)

Thanks for the response.

I'm currently debating on whether or not I want to get just a el-cheapo DVD player and wait it out or go ahead and get a player that can play both blu-ray and HDDVD. Unsure as of yet, haven't done a lot of research...

I currently have a 8 year old Onkyo receiver plugged into my tv downstairs, it's just fine for what it is, an 8 year old receiver. I have those huge Onkyo speakers though, and the sound isn't as large as the speakers would indicate it should be.

My cats also enjoy chewing on wires, so wireless (if feasible) seems to be the way to go. I have heard next to nothing on wireless speakers though. I know I will probably ignore Bose, since they're the most over-rated system ever.

This is all preliminary, but it's in my mind, so I thought I'd see what people have to say. AVSforums is..well, ugly. But I'm slogging through.

thanks

Upconverting DVD player (1)

TheConfusedOne (442158) | more than 7 years ago | (#17905834)

You can get one of those players that up converts DVD signals to HD (via HDMI connection) for dirt cheap these days. I believe it helps some for the pixilation but obviously isn't real HD output.

I'd say just wait on the HD DVD player as there's still a format war going on and not much content to view anyways.

Re:Upconverting DVD player (1)

Short Circuit (52384) | more than 7 years ago | (#17906368)

DVD video is actually encoded at a higher resolution than normal analog TV supports. DVD players don't really "upconvert" to HDTVs so much as avoid downconverting.

Just sayin...

Re:Upconverting DVD player (1)

ncc74656 (45571) | more than 7 years ago | (#17908614)

DVD video is actually encoded at a higher resolution than normal analog TV supports.

720x480...a bit more horizontal resolution than you'd likely pick up in a composite or S-video signal, but the vertical resolution is the same. Whether it'd be better to do the upsampling from DVD to HD in the DVD player or the TV depends, IIRC, on the particular devices in question and what hardware they're using to scale the video.

(My own setup is a MythTV box driving a 30" LCD at 1280x768 over DVI. Software does a better job scaling video than most of the hardware scaling devices, but unless you're using a Mac mini or some other SFF box, it's going to be a fair bit larger than your average DVD player.)

Re:bedroom TV (1)

Tet (2721) | more than 7 years ago | (#17906886)

I'm currently debating on whether or not I want to get just a el-cheapo DVD player and wait it out or go ahead and get a player that can play both blu-ray and HDDVD.

Do you have any next generation media? If so, buy whatever you need to play that. If not, get a $40 DVD player and wait and see where the market settles. Are you in a particular rush to move to Blue-Ray/HD-DVD? Few people have a legitimate reason to do so yet, other than gadget envy.

I currently have a 8 year old Onkyo receiver

Nice. I was sorely tempted by one a few years ago, but just couldn't justify the price. I went with NAD instead.

I have those huge Onkyo speakers though, and the sound isn't as large as the speakers would indicate it should be.

Not entirely surprising. Onkyo aren't really a speaker company. Like many others, they do them mostly just to get complete coverage for their product range. Although they're above average, you really want to get speakers from a company that specialises in them. FWIW, Onkyo, NAD and Dali are (or at least, were -- I haven't checked lately) all part of the same group. NAD do the mass market components, Onkyo cover the high end, and Dali do the speakers. If you can afford them, Dali speakers sound very nice...

Re:bedroom TV (1)

Em Emalb (452530) | more than 7 years ago | (#17907216)

thanks for the info...It will be a sad day when my old receiver dies, I'm sure. It's been a trooper.

Re:bedroom TV (1)

rdewald (229443) | more than 7 years ago | (#17907354)

I have a little bit of experience with wireless speakers and I gave you the best advice you'll get--try them out. I've seen wireless speakers have a direct line-of-sight to the transmitter and still hiss, I've seen them tucked behind a brick column and sound like studio monitors.

Dipping a paper towel in tabasco and rubbing it along the speaker wires broke my cat of the habit of chewing on speaker wires.

As someone else said, you'll get better resolution from el cheapo DVD player than from non-HD TV. I'd frankly wait until the novelty of the dual-format players has passed before I committed significant resources.

Also, I bought a DVD player a few years back that also played mp3 disks, that was an inadvertent stroke of brilliance. I still use it more for that purpose than anything else--one disk = music all day.

Re:bedroom TV (1)

Mantorp (142371) | more than 7 years ago | (#17905794)

buy.com emails me deals every other day or so and they usually have 37" lcds for around 700 or less

Re:bedroom TV (1)

SamTheButcher (574069) | more than 7 years ago | (#17906132)

I was going to suggest Samsung, too.

Other suggestions:

2) One receiver for living room

I default to Sony. Just because. Oh, go to the Crutchfield website [crutchfieldadvisor.com] if you're not up on all the tech just yet. They're pretty good with the info. I don't know how much of this stuff you know, but I always learn something there.

3) One DVD player for living room

Blu-Ray...in the form of a PS3. :D

Other than that, wrt the format wars, Porn may lose this one, mainly because who wants to see porn in HD? *shudder* However, I hear that they may have hybrid HD-DVD/Blu-Ray players sometime, which would cut down on the hand wringing.

4) wireless speakers for living room

Don't do wireless. Just don't. Run cable along the edges (or under) the carpet. Wireless speakers suck. I don't care how good they get, they still suck. Like wireless keyboards and mice. Suckage.

But that's just my opinion. My Multiply suggestion got shot down, too. :)

Re:bedroom TV (1)

Em Emalb (452530) | more than 7 years ago | (#17906500)

I don't care how good they get, they still suck. Like wireless keyboards and mice. Suckage.

We'll agree to disagree. :)

My current TV is a Sony ProScan. It's been rock solid for a while, but from what I've seen, Panasonic is the ish when it comes to flat screen HDs. I dunno.

Re:bedroom TV (1)

Keith Russell (4440) | more than 7 years ago | (#17907520)

TV: I've been saving my shekels for a Westinghouse 47" 1080p monitor. [westinghousedigital.com] 4 1080p inputs (1 HDMI, 2 DVI, 1 VGA), two 1080i component inputs, and if you're running the audio through your receiver, you won't mind the cheap built-in speakers. Plus, it only costs $1900! They call it a monitor because there's no tuners at all (not even analog), but if you're not getting HD from your cable or satellite box, you can find an over-the-air HD tuner on the eBays.

Receiver: I'm with Sam on this one: Sony. I've never had a problem with their Best Buy-level gear. If you're going to spend big on this, skip Sony ES and go for Denon or Onkyo.

DVD: Oy, what a mess. Personally, I don't want to jump to HD until the format war settles down. I don't care which format wins, and I'd be happiest with a dual-format player, but until they get their shit straight, I don't want to bet early-adopter money on a two-horse race. If you're content to wait out the HD issues, look for a model that can send 720p or 1080i over HDMI. If you're a music junkie, you might consider SACD and/or DVD-Audio support, too.

Wireless rear channels: I'm skeptical. I've never heard what they sound like in a proper environment, though. If you're looking for cat-proofing, you might consider going up instead of down. A friend of mine ran his rear speaker wires through some raceway along the top edge of his walls. Of course, he mounted his rears from ceiling mounts, which may not be an option for you.

Re:bedroom TV (1)

SamTheButcher (574069) | more than 7 years ago | (#17907682)

Eh...Wireless is good for connectivity and remote control. I haven't found a good implementation of other tech for them. I'll keep my mind open, but.... How are they powered? The speakers? kbds & mice, I don't like the battery issue that comes up.

And I've always liked my Sony TVs, but I don't have a flatty. I do know that Samsung has been charging hard at Sony to grab some of their market share, and their equipment is pretty decent.

I'd just go with 1080p, might as well get the max right now.

I liked KR's advice below, as well.

Never did get to the Varsity, didja? :)

Isht (1)

sielwolf (246764) | more than 7 years ago | (#17905386)

My brother had just gotten an LCD TV for his bedroom at Best Buy under some 12 months/same as cash deal (which is a way of socking that money away and buying it with cheaper 08 dollars). I'm not a big fan of the full-in entertainment/theater solution stores (Tweaker et al). I always think they are a gip especially in this age of the take home and install yourself/IKEA style stores. Someone here probably has a site they could point you too for coming up with the catalog of items you'll need and how to balance it all out for your budget.

Sadly I can't really help you. I've just got my Sony TV which is fine when you only live in 735 sq ft.

For the living room... (1)

TechnoLust (528463) | more than 7 years ago | (#17907332)

forget the plasma... go with an HD projector! If you haven't been watching sports in HD, you've been missing out. Best comment of the SuperBowl from a party attendee at our get-together was Annie, for "Before I saw football in HD, I always wondered why they had the little taint straps. Now that I see it in HD and it's raining, I know why!"

Two Words. (1)

Talinom (243100) | more than 7 years ago | (#17910314)

Consumer Reports [consumerreports.org] .

Ok, a few more words. If you are going to spend money, make certain you spend it wisely.

if i had money to buy those things (1)

subgeek (263292) | more than 7 years ago | (#17910450)

i'd have more to tell you.

tigerdirect has refurbished stuff. it kind of depends on the day because once they're out, they may or may not restock something. last week they had samsung HL-S5087W refurbished sets for something like $1350, which i thought was a good deal but still couldn't afford. the thing i like about those samsung Sxx87 and up rear projections is that they accept a 1080p signal, which not all "1080p" sets can do. the picture is also pretty good. my sister has the 50" and my parents have the 56". both have the onkyo 7.1 surround systems hooked up to it. it sounds pretty good to me for a complete $400 system. it's not perfect, but it's good for the money.

if i were to get an HDTV, it would probably be a samsung 46" LCD [amazon.com] or that S5087W rear projection DLP [amazon.com] .
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