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Neo-Nazi rally was organized by FBI informant

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) writes | more than 7 years ago

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A paid FBI informant was the man behind a neo-Nazi march through the streets of Parramore that stirred up anxiety in Orlando's black community and fears of racial unrest that triggered a major police mobilization.

A paid FBI informant was the man behind a neo-Nazi march through the streets of Parramore that stirred up anxiety in Orlando's black community and fears of racial unrest that triggered a major police mobilization.

That revelation came Wednesday in an unrelated federal court hearing and has prompted outrage from black leaders, some of whom demanded an investigation into whether the February 2006 march was, itself, an event staged by law-enforcement agencies.

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paid informants are, by definition, scumbags (1)

HBI (604924) | more than 7 years ago | (#18032242)

But it's great to see the anti-law enforcement propaganda, about par for the course for the Left.

Re:paid informants are, by definition, scumbags (1)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 7 years ago | (#18032482)

This isn't anti-law enforcement. I don't think the Orlando Sentinel is "left" - I never saw them claim that workers should control the means of production, or advocate one-man, one-vote for Israel.

By that definition, decying the tactics and methods of the NKVD and KGB would be "anti law-enforcement propaganda".

When the law is unjust - or worse yet, provocation and entrapment - when the enforcer is an enemy of people's basic rights and dignity, we applaud the exposure and disgrace. The "law" is you and I, nothing more or less. The state which serves it's own interest - not yours and mine - exists only as oppressor.

I do not believe that to be a sentiment of the "left" - who are just another tool of super-statist bankers, just like the illusory "right".

Re:paid informants are, by definition, scumbags (1)

HBI (604924) | more than 7 years ago | (#18032750)

Then why the assumption that, if the person organizing the rally took money to inform on his criminal compatriots, that the FBI would have anything to do with his organizing activities?

$20k isn't that much money, for starters. At least over a year or more. Besides which, if an FBI person were to set up a neo-Nazi rally, even in backwoods Florida, he should be convicted of stupidity rather than any malevolent intent. No one buys into that shit even there.

So the leftist politicians grandstand, blaming law enforcement somehow for the actions of a known scumbag.

There is a Left. And there is a Right. If your point was "it isn't monolithic", ok, i'll grant that in most cases, but there are large groups of both who march in lockstep with their masters.

Re:paid informants are, by definition, scumbags (1)

vague_ascetic (755456) | more than 7 years ago | (#18037026)

$20k isn't that much money

Which is a tremendous understatement given that the recipient's ID was rolled in a public courtroom by the Federal Public Defender.

Gletty's secret life became public Wednesday in a federal court hearing resulting from the arrest last week of two suspected white supremacists on charges of conspiracy to distribute crack cocaine.

[. . .]

Rock told Gletty in a tape-recorded conversation that he and Martin had robbed seven drug dealers by posing as law-enforcement officers, according to testimony. Martin and Rock remain held without bail in the Seminole County Jail.

Slip-up lets name out of bag

Throughout most of the hearing, Gletty was referred to as "Mr. X" or "CW" (cooperating witness). His identity was revealed when Assistant Federal Public Defender Peter W. Kenny repeatedly slipped up and mentioned Gletty's full name.

FBI agent Kevin Farrington and a federal prosecutor were clearly uncomfortable with the disclosure of the informant's name in open court.

Uncomfortable having to dig into the witness protection budget to give this loser flea a new life, which sooner or later he'd blow, and will get blown away by his ex-buds, who never forget a debt owed to them. They probably had this clown pissing his pants, and willing to rat out his grandma, with a felony charge hanging over his head like an anvil over Wiley the Coyote too. So much for a good informant...

Re:paid informants are, by definition, scumbags (1)

iminplaya (723125) | more than 7 years ago | (#18047856)

...but there are large groups of both who march in lockstep with their masters.

How true :-)

What about... (2, Funny)

HomelessInLaJolla (1026842) | more than 7 years ago | (#18033010) helicopters?

Re:What about... (1)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 7 years ago | (#18033066)

Scientologist reality distortion generators - sent to brainwash us into believing Travolta and Cruise not gay.

*aghast* (1)

HomelessInLaJolla (1026842) | more than 7 years ago | (#18033132)

That's enough to precipitate a revolution!

Re:paid "undercover" are, by definition, scumbags (1)

zogger (617870) | more than 7 years ago | (#18034458)

They have done this a lot. I can tell you from past experience that the goons are serious violence instigators at rallies and inside various political organizations. They had goofs inside working at every serious political event of the past 60 years at least. OKC, JFK whack, MLK, RFK, WTC #1, WTO in seattle, 9-11, 7-7 in the uk, and *any* number of smaller demos and rallies. I mean, a lot of them. Seen it with me own eyes, listened to them trying to promote violence, trying to egg people on, actually caught two of them before and outed them before things got out of hand worse. Not just "informants", EMPLOYEES, dudes with a SHIELD. I even got a friend now, retired LEO, couldn't wait to get his last two years in and get his retirement because he was sick of watching this shit go down all the time, they TRAIN for it, and a lot of locals are dual badged on the sly. this goes way ack to even hoover's time.. I mean, damn, this isn't even hard to find on the net, you can google around and see where a lot of weird crap happens that is "insider" provoked or allowed to happen. It's not even any huge secret.

Dialectic Spin From Contemporary Conservatives (1)

vague_ascetic (755456) | more than 7 years ago | (#18036970)

Thanks for the update. I didn't know that WACO and Ruby Ridge were instances of 'leftist anti-law enforcement propaganda'.

Are you a conscious fabricator or a dittoheaded tool? During the Senate Debates regarding the Comprehensive Terrorism Prevention Act of 1995, the fine upstanding contemporary conservative, Utarded Senator Orin Hatch, stated that it was Waco and Ruby Ridge which were the impediments keeping roving wiretaps from being extended to cover suspected terrorists. On June 5, 1995, Hatch said: []

"The original amendment written in the President's bill is not as good as this one, as I understand. We have even worked with my colleague on the language on it. I am going to talk to our side and see if there is some way we can get them to accept that amendment. But there are people who are so afraid of the Government right now--polls show somewhere around 40 percent of the people are afraid of their Government. That is pathetic. And part of the reason is because of what happened in Waco, because of what happened at Ruby Ridge, and a whole variety of other reasons, because the Federal Government has been too intrusive in all of our lives."

All Hatch wanted to do was to curtail persons convicted in Federal Court appellate options through habeas corpus reductions. Regardless of the propriety in this, it is laughable to assert that it had anything whatsoever to do with Terrorism Prevention. The legislation failed to pass, and was taken up again in 1996, but others in the GOP must have become aware of the stupidity in rescinding habeas corpus under terror prevention legislation, and extended the name of the legislation to the Comprehensive Terrorism Prevention and Effective Death Penalty Act. Hatch springboarded off of the backs of the Oklahoma City bombing victims to justify his habeas reduction along with his citing of Ruby Ridge and Waco as reason any really effective terror prevention legislation was not able to be passed. Instead what was passede under the guise of 'terror prevention' was more punishment for crimes, which may be warranted, but again, has nothing whatsoever to do with preventing terror. Terrorists are not worried about the sentence they might receive after conviction, are they? On April 16, 1996 Hatch opined [] :

"Let me go to No. 8. We enhance penalties for many terrorism crimes. We do not enhance them for every crime that the distinguished Senator from Delaware wants us to. I do not disagree with him. Look, we have gone through in the last few years, Waco, Ruby Ridge, the Good Ol' Boys Roundup, we have gone through other types of law enforcement matters. There are people who are terrified of the IRS, people who are afraid of their own Government. If you look at the polls, the vast majority of them are afraid of their own Government today because of some of these things."

The following day, April 17, 1996, Hatch reiterated []

"This is important. This bill is important. I know my colleagues know I am sincere when I say I will find some way of resolving these multipoint wiretap problems. Unfortunately, they were called roving wiretaps when they came up, and just that rhetorical term has caused us some difficulties and has caused some of the people who feel, after Waco, Ruby Ridge, Good Ol' Boys Roundup, et cetera, that even law enforcement sometimes is too intrusive into all of our lives, and at this particular time of the year, at tax time, with the feelings about the IRS, there are some who literally feel this is going too far and it will kill this bill if we put it in."

The 'some who literally feel this is going too far' Hatch was referring to were a block of Contemporary Conservative House Republicans led by Bob Barr, who were dead serious about that contract they'd taken out on America. Also noteworthy is that they blocked an amendment to this legislation that would have forced putting taggants in explosive precursors to aid in investigations. This was done at the behest of the NRA, spreading more of that 'leftist anti-law enforcement propaganda' you were referring too.

About the same time, Contemporary Conservative, Sen. Phil Graham (EvilToad-Texacution), as head of the Senate Banking Committee was blocking all attempts by the Clinton Administration to get transparent international banking transaction legislation passed to make it easier to follow the funding of international terrorist orgs. Of note here is that Phil's wife Wendy, sat on the Enron board during that era.

Flatworlder whore to the Political BiPolarity, my existence is without you dimensionality impairment.

Re:Dialectic Spin From Contemporary Conservatives (1)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 7 years ago | (#18040082)

Thanks for all of the background here, which shows how long the lead-up to the Bush/Cheney/Ashcroft/Gonzales coup had been coming. These can be projected farther back - through the various evasions of the Boland Amnmendment.

If you were to chart a time-based curve - lets start with Gerald Ford, and try to ignore his history with Rumsfeld and the Warren Commission - leading through Iran-Contra, Waco-etc, OK City, to the stolen 2000 election and 9-11, and lastly Katrina... where does this curve put the American people at in 2010?

In jail.

Re:Dialectic Spin From Contemporary Conservatives (1)

vague_ascetic (755456) | more than 7 years ago | (#18041480)

In re: Boland amendments [] . The project slowly moves forward. Part Six will be completely marked-up today or tomorrow, depending on time expenditures necessary for other purposes today. All that is left in that section is the Shultz chapter, but it's a 235k ascii file. (probably a little more than one hr - place anchor tags around footnotes; extract footnotes from main text body; mark-up the body; mark-up the footnotes. Aided with some scripts, but cannot be automated entirely)

In Re: 2010 prediction; i don't wist to predict, but i hope that by 2010 we have restrained our BiPolar leviathan in a straight-jacket, and got it back onto its meds.

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