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Dialog

Oculus Habent (562837) writes | more than 7 years ago

Censorship 9

Speech made our country great. We started out as a series of letters, articles, and speeches.

Speech made our country progress. The melting pot allowed people to challenge cultural expectations, and speech drove people to act.

Speech made our country great. We started out as a series of letters, articles, and speeches.

Speech made our country progress. The melting pot allowed people to challenge cultural expectations, and speech drove people to act.

The infringement of speech made our country sterile. Limitations on comfortable and acceptable and, worse still, correct took away our dialog. People became sensitive because they were told they should be. People stopped saying things... not because they didn't believe them, but because they shouldn't say them. We sealed our differences and problems away behind a facade of correctness.

The infringement of speech has broken logic and sense. Now that it is wrong to say a thing, it becomes wrong to think the thing. Our limitation of speech has turned into a limitation of thought.

I may not agree with what you think. I may not agree with what you say. I may think your opinion is bad, or wrong, or even dangerous. But it is yours to have.

If I stand by and deny you have a different opinion, I am enabling the perpetuation of your opinion by my inaction. It is only through communication that we can learn. Without dialog, we are stagnant.

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The Elephant in the Living Room (1)

Shadow Wrought (586631) | more than 7 years ago | (#18232298)

Just because no one talk about it, doesn't mean its not there. The next few deacdes of post-political correctness should prove... memorable, if nothing else.

Re:The Elephant in the Living Room (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | more than 7 years ago | (#18238802)

At least half of my reputation is due to not buying into political correctness in any way, shape, or form.

Re:The Elephant in the Living Room (1)

HomelessInLaJolla (1026842) | more than 7 years ago | (#18242256)

> At least half of my reputation

The other half of your reputation lies in being able to endlessly harass your opponents until you declare yourself the victor by no virtue other than you simply never shut the fuck up and, often, you make use of such offensive language with such frequency that no sane person can possibly put up with your shit for any longer. A significant portion of your tactic involves repeatedly using derogatory and defamatory language against your debate opponents such that, should you ever encounter them again, you can rely on people who actually believe your outright bullshit to contribute in with their artificially constructed negative perceptioni of the debate opponent.

Somewhere, at some point, someone should break your fingers.

Re:The Elephant in the Living Room (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | more than 7 years ago | (#18242514)

You must not be posting today from the library. Interesting that. Now to your insults and why I wouldn't consider them insults:

The other half of your reputation lies in being able to endlessly harass your opponents until you declare yourself the victor by no virtue other than you simply never shut the fuck up

Which would be true if I did this in verbal mode- but shut the fuck up doesn't apply to the written word. Having said that, I bow to you as the ultimate harasser.

you make use of such offensive language with such frequency that no sane person can possibly put up with your shit for any longer.

Offensive language is often in the eye of the beholder. For instance, the language used in the message I'm replying to would probably be blocked by Cybersitter had you been at your local library in La Jolla, but in Oregon it's perfectly normal to hear this level of "offensiveness" in everyday conversation.

A significant portion of your tactic involves repeatedly using derogatory and defamatory language against your debate opponents such that, should you ever encounter them again, you can rely on people who actually believe your outright bullshit to contribute in with their artificially constructed negative perceptioni of the debate opponent.

Defamatory would indicate a level of untruth; rather I base whatever derogatory statments I make on a debate opponent's previous behavior and background as I know it. For instance the inability to divide $155 by 31 to reach $5/day is a classic for people who think that welfare is inadequate.

Somewhere, at some point, someone should break your fingers.

BTDT, luckily I had health insurance at the time. Unlike the point where I was staying home from protesting the first gulf war and heard my roomate's peace symbol ripped down off the dorm room door. A hint: if you're going to have a peace sign on your door in OIT dorms at Klamath Falls during a war, expect it to be ripped down and DON'T open the door....unless you want a drunk to punch you in the eye and cause a cut requiring stitches. A $400 emergency room bill meant a lot to a college student in 1992.

However, unlike you, I accept that's how Neurotypicals will behave; and I accept my role in it. Have you accepted YOUR role in your troubles, or are you still blaming everybody else for the hole you dug for yourself?

Re:The Elephant in the Living Room (1)

HomelessInLaJolla (1026842) | more than 7 years ago | (#18242640)

> I bow to you as the ultimate harasser

What a pathetic cop-out. I spend entire days, thirty or forty posts, putting up with your endless stream of crap and this is the best you give me? Who the heck signs your paycheck? I wouldn't pay you to clean my toilets with your teeth.

> in Oregon it's perfectly normal to hear this level of "offensiveness" in everyday conversation

Good for you. All this says is that you, and the people you tolerate in everyday conversation, are a similarly grouped collection of socially lacking shitheads who don't deserve any more than minimum wage--if that.

> For instance the inability to divide $155 by 31 to reach $5/day is a classic for people who think that welfare is inadequate

Any day, any time, any place you want to meet and try to subsist side by side with me on the exact same daily income you're free to try. You couldn't keep up with me for a moment. You are a worthless piece of camel crap which never should've been dropped on this earth and, whatever salary you make, consider it as a divine gift from the taxpayers because, in any normal society which doesn't artificially support substandard excretions like you, you would have been driven over the edge of a cliff years ago.

> I had health insurance at the time

You're a leech.

> where I was staying home from protesting the first gulf war

You're a wuss. Go out and do something if you want to protest. Protesting from home is claiming credit for doing nothing. I don't even do that.

> A $400 emergency room bill meant a lot to a college student in 1992

You probably had taunted him half to death in the weeks prior. If you got nailed then you deserved it.

> I accept that's how Neurotypicals will behave

You're neurotypical, alright--neurotypical of the kind of people whose sole purpose in life is to get off by being a blister on someone else's ass.

> I accept my role in it

Your role should be suicide.

> Have you accepted YOUR role in your troubles

Yes.

> are you still blaming everybody else for the hole you dug for yourself

There is no such thing as blame.

Re:The Elephant in the Living Room (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | more than 7 years ago | (#18242760)

What a pathetic cop-out. I spend entire days, thirty or forty posts, putting up with your endless stream of crap and this is the best you give me?

Your fault for assuming to begin with, the way I see it. The rest of this is just assumptions that deserve no response from me.

Re:The Elephant in the Living Room (1)

HomelessInLaJolla (1026842) | more than 7 years ago | (#18242862)

> the way I see it

You're a mentally compromised sack of crap and, as such, your sight is in serious question.

> The rest of this is just assumptions that deserve no response from me

I'll repeat: "What a pathetic cop-out. I spend entire days, thirty or forty posts, putting up with your endless stream of crap and this is the best you give me?"

Re:The Elephant in the Living Room (1)

Oculus Habent (562837) | more than 7 years ago | (#18248302)

Gee, thanks for the quality, on-topic responses. I appreciate the cogent arguments and the personable manner in which they are written.

Clearly you have an agenda against Marxist, as you aren't a fan of mine, and followed him into my journal.

So, thanks for being the noise in the ratio, and, uh, GTFO.

No, really. I've had ulcers that make more convincing arguments. As a disaffected third party in your crusade againt MH42, I think you need to step back and analyze why you do what you do. Your vitriolic flamefest doesn't move you, him, or any discussion forward. Your stream of goading comments isn't accomplishing anything... particularly here, in a semi-private forum where you demonstrate, through comments destined to be read by perhaps a dozen people, only your inability to let shit go.

I don't agree with MH42 on plenty of topics, but I appreciate his willingness to offer his opinion, especially knowing that there are people like you out there. Here, in this journal, on this topic of all topics, you disappoint me. Go back and read the journal, and then talk to me.

Re:The Elephant in the Living Room (1)

Oculus Habent (562837) | more than 7 years ago | (#18248312)

Most certainly. When we start breaking down the walls of "correct" I think we'll see that we've been living in insular little conversations, and the world outside isn't the homogenous sea of like-minded people out inability to converse led us to believe. I shall refer to the impending period as The Great Unreconiliation.
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