Journal Whiney Mac Fanboy's Journal: A dollar for Apple is a vote for the Democrats? 65
In the long lead up to the US Presidential Elections, there is something that I'm curious about.
How do slashdotters (and particularly conservative slashdotters) feel about Apple's overt and unequivocal support for the Democrats? If you're not sure what I'm talking about, consider the following:
- Jobs has Contributed ¼ of a million dollars to the Democrats in the last 10 years.
- During the last election. John Kerry had Steve Jobs' personal support and friendship, including Jobs' offering himself in the position of technical/PR advisor to the Kerry campaign.
- Jobs has had the Clintons over to his house for an intimate dinner. The Clinton's returned the favor, inviting Jobs to stay a night in the White House's Lincoln bedroom, a privilege granted to big party donors.
- Al Gore (Prominent Democrat, environmentalist & former vice president of the US) sits on Apple's board.
- Steve Jobs organised a fund raiser for Hilary Clinton at his Palo Alto home.
Has Apple's support for the Democrats changed your purchasing decisions?
Are you more or less likely to buy Apple knowing that a non-trivial percentage of your hard earned dollars are going to make there way into Democrat campaign funds?
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Lord Steve is a personal sponsor of many Dems, and most of his income is from Apple. Some conservatives claim that he's the reason they don't buy Macs. Most of them are lying, and would be using Windows even if Jobs & Michael Dell had their political beliefs swapped.
Personally, I wish Steve had taken Rush Limbaugh up on his offer to do a Mac commercial.
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Although Steve Jobs may give some decent dollars to the Democrats, Apple itself has taken no political stand, at least not directly. As frankie said, "Apple itself is not heavily political, at least not compared to corps like Home Depot, which graciously offered its stores as backdrops for Bush campaign stops in 2003-4."
That's good information, thank you. Now, I can continue to buy the hardware from the vendor I like, and can offset any feelings of guilt for doing so by then going to home depot and buying things I'd be buying anyway, to offset it. Kind of like how, when I worked with a rabidly anti-gun coworker, I went on the "gun of the month" buying plan because of him.
So, if Jobs wants to support the left, fine, but I'll offset that by buying more from someone supporting the right. After all, I buy construction s
Answer from a right winger... (Score:3, Insightful)
Neither. I am less likely to buy Apple because I do not want vendor lock-in, and because I can build far cheaper than I can buy.
Neither Dell nor Microsoft gets my money these days, because I build my own systems and run Linux, a decision that is just as much technical as it is economical.
Steve Jobs can support whatever candidate he wants, it doesn't matter so much right now because the GOP is absolutely whooping the Dems in fund raising right now - especially in small, grassroots donations.
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Thanks for your answer, but I'm really interested in hearing the opinions of right-wingers (as you put it) who do buy Apple products.
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Ask Rush Limbaugh. He's been a big Mac fan since at least the very early 1990s.
mailto:rush@eibnet.com [mailto]
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What does it matter? In my general experience, it's generally left-wingers who make statements like "I would NEVER shop at Walmart" etc.
I buy Mac because I like them, and they're what I want. The political leanings of the company and Mr Jobs are completely irrelevant to me.
Intelligent people = democrat (Score:1, Insightful)
It's funny how right wingers are always trying to bash the "liberal elite" for voting the way they do. What if they vote the way they do because they actually think about the issues, are intelligent people and decided to vote for other intelligent people? This isn't rocket science peo
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Explain his support for Al Gore, who flunked divinity school, then. You know, the same Al Gore, who when he was Vice President, saw busts of the Founding Fathers of the Country and remarked, on camera, "Who are these guys?"
Your point is flawed, you are trying to link intelligence to a political belief, and no such correlation can be made.
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let me guess.. you read lovely little gems by hannity or coulter?
btw.. grats the the original responder who started this thread, you get it, but you also got assist trained by the neocon crap parade.
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I think your name from here on out should be "Mr. Straw Man."
In my experience MOST people who put a lot of stock in IQ and "sounding smart" usually have a high (but not really high) IQ and are usu
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Hello pot, my name is kettle, are you feeling darkly colored today? The only person I see bringing up straw men is you:
You bring up a fictional presidential race that will never happen and use it to bolster your argument.
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> and are individually easily repudiated. That is why you guys change the subject all the time and
> attack the person instead of the idea. That is classic debate strategy when you have a weaker position.
Sorry... Give me a minute to compose myself and wipe the tears of laughter from my eyes...
You're from the party that popularized the "Swift Boat" attack strategy, right? The guys completely fixated on
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Like John Kerry? You guys on the left sure like to call Republicans dumb, but your "Brilliant" John Kerry was a worse student at Yale than Bush was.
Not that I like Kerry, but in his defense at least he took political science - while Bush took history, which (along with geography), is right down there on the bottom rung of dodgy subjects to do at BA level.
The only correlation between having a degree and voting for democrats is how many liberal professors indoctrinated people into voting for Democrats.
I don't think liberal professors have that much sway over their students. In fact I think most processors would love to think they have anything like that must influence. Most of the time they are concentrating hard on just getting their students to actually turn up on time, pay attention in class an
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> Kerry was a worse student at Yale than Bush was. Bush's four-year average was 77; Kerry's 76.
Well... You may still be living in 1970, but the rest of us are talking about Bush today --in this century. Maybe it's early senility, maybe he did way too much blow (are you sure you want us to consider these politicians as they where in the 70's?), maybe he's still showing up everywhere blitzed out of his
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You just equated academic achievement with intelligence. While there is some correlation, academic achievement is a poor indicator of intelligence. You then went on to imply that monetary income is a valid measurement of an individuals persona
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a) academic achievement doesn't correlate with intelligence
b) ability to make money doesn't correlate with intelligence
c) achievement doesn't correlate with intelligence (after all, Bush has achieved more than kerry)
So, what exactly DOES correlate with intelligence? You've taken away all measurable metrics as invalid, and leave it as some completely inteangible "feeling" thing. You FEEL that Kerry is smarter than Bush.
I don't get it.
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I think I wrote:
So from your misinterpretation and subsequent misrepresentation of my statement, should I assume you are ignorant or unintelligent?
To reinforce my original point, how does a qualification bought from a corrupt educational facility constitute intelligence? What about qualificatiuons ear
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Your choice!
To reinforce my original point, how does a qualification bought from a corrupt educational facility constitute intelligence? What about qualificatiuons earned by others for money? Do these achievements equate with intelligence because someone paid for it? If they are good at making money, or if they have enough money to pay for fake qualifications, why bother? The wo
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As opposed to Democrats who would simultaneously tell people we're less safe today than before 9/11 and that Republicans aren't doing enough to protect them while accusing the Republicans of using safety to scare people into voting for them?
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How does it make you feel knowing a portion of your hard earned pay packet is going directly into the Hilary-Clinton-For-President campaign every time you buy Apple products?
Do you feel conflicted knowing you don't want Hilary in, but are indirectly contibuting (and encouraging others' contributions) to her campaign?
If Hilary is elected by a small margin, will you feel upset because it was probably your Apple purchase that provided the funds to swing that state?
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No, I just notice hypocrisy and cloaked attempts to troll Mac users.
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Aaah, not a GOP supporter - I'm guessing that makes you a Democrat. You'll love your money going directly into the reelect hilary fund!
I just notice hypocrisy and cloaked attempts to troll Mac users.
Where's the hypocrisy & cloaked attempts?
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Oh right! In that case you wouldn't officially support what I'd call the hilary-for-president-ipod-tax?
As for attempts to troll Mac users, that would be found in your posting history.
I asked you what you meant by "cloaked attempts" and hypocrisy. I didn't mention trolling mac users at all.
I am happy with it (Score:4, Insightful)
From my (European) perspective, Democrats and Republicans look much like Kodos and Kang. However, in choosing the lesser evil, I'm happy that Apple chooses to fund Democrats. Not that I've ever bought Apple or that I will do -too much vendor lock-in and other issues.
Anyway I respect your opinion to be unhappy with this, but you must thank your lobbying system for this. In many parts of Europe (even here in Italy, despite its corruption record) having a big corporation directly funding a political party is illegal and it would be considered a scandal. Independency of politics from financial interests is considered a value of paramount importance here.
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Unhappy? I don't particularly have an opinion one way or the other (also not american, also think it's a Kodos/Kang situation).
I'm purely interested in Apple consumer's opinions on this.
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Unhappy? I don't particularly have an opinion one way or the other (also not american, also think it's a Kodos/Kang situation).
Oh, I see. At first I didn't understand why you would be interested in this, if you are not American and you do not have at heart a party of American politics. But I understand that it may be an interesting statistic. However I guess Macs appeal more to people likely to be Democrats... but we will see.
Non-financial support? (Score:2)
I don't really like any of it, though I would prefer Apple/Democrats vs Halliburton/Diebold/Microsoft/Republicans at this point. (Not sure about Microsoft or spelling of Halliburton -- pretty sure, but this is a disclaimer so I don't look like an ass if I'm wrong.)
High. White. Horse. (Score:2)
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I'm Conservative (Score:1)
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Wow, that's... Such a Republican answer.
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I suppose I should have said something like "right-wing" rather than "Republican" but I thought that might have been misinterpreted seeing as how it's the mainstream ideology. I was assuming a distinction between the li
Interesting question (Score:2)
However, until I read this journal entry, I hadn't really thought of the connection.
In either case, I think any argument over which side has the smarter politicians is comparable to a discussion over which pile of dog droppings smells worse.
The bigger issue, and the scam that I myself fell victim to, is aligning personal values and
When you say "Apple" you really mean Steve Jobs (Score:2, Insightful)
If you are going to second-guess your Apple purchases, shouldn't you also extend the list to Pixar and Disney products as well? Take your kids to see Cars and feed Hillary's PAC!
If you are going to worry about Apple channelling funds into the Democratic party, well then rest comforta
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Of course I'm not worried! I won't be voting in these elections. I was wondering what others opinions were.
non-trivial (Score:3, Insightful)
So a "non-trivial percentage of your hard earned dollars" is true, if you define 0.00000104% to be "non-trivial"
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1/4 mill over 10 years averages out to be $25,000/year or $6250 a quarter. Apple revenues are something like $6 billion a quarter.
Apple's revenues have exceeded $6 billion a quarter for the last 10 years? You're kidding!
One more time: It's DemocratIC (Score:2)
And if anything, it makes me more likely to buy an Apple. Of course, I could just give my own money to the Dems.
Community watchdogs (Score:1)
Here are the financial statistics for Apple Inc. [buyblue.org]
$78,250 to Democrats
$0 to Republicans
$500 to Others
$78,750 in Total Contributions
This is unrealistic (Score:2)
Why does it matter at all? So what if a few of Apple's leaders are liberal? The company isn't going around promoting him, and I'm sure there are a fair few Republicans on the Democratic payroll as well.
What? (Score:2)
In all but one example, it is about Steve Jobs supporting Democrats, not necessarily Apple. Without knowing how many politicians sit on boards of directors, I'm not sure if Gore's seat is significant or not. It seems that politicians of all stripes can and do come from and go to high profile positions in private industry.
Let's get to some numbe
Left Wing Apple -- So What? (Score:2)
Neither. I simply buy my machines from them and then I turn around and vote Republican. Anyone who would suffer Windows or waste time with Linux because Apple appears to kow-tow to meaningless political correctness and "left-wing" candidates (a common gesture from many American businesses) needs his head examined. Additionally, a quart
Reality check ... (Score:2)
No linkage (Score:2)
Use the market system to determine that which is best decided by price information, and the political system to determine that which is best decided by plebecite.
Sounds great to me! (Score:2)
As a longtime Apple fan and liberal Democrat, I quite like it. It makes me that much happier about my forthcoming purchase of a Mac Pro.
Dan Aris
so i guess... (Score:2)
I am a conservative and I don't mind (Score:1)
Lets all just keep our mouths shut (Score:1)
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