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Verbiage: The Last Mimzy

Chacham (981) writes | more than 7 years ago

User Journal 9

Just watched The Last Mimzy. Interesting, somewhat enjoyable, but nothing major.

The main characters, the boy and the girl, the boy was NT, the girl NF. The movie surrounds him accepting her as leader and folowing her orders, which were simple. The NT accepts the NF, though she was younger and inexperienced, the anima being accepted by the animus, this was probably written by a middle-aged NT.

Just watched The Last Mimzy. Interesting, somewhat enjoyable, but nothing major.

The main characters, the boy and the girl, the boy was NT, the girl NF. The movie surrounds him accepting her as leader and folowing her orders, which were simple. The NT accepts the NF, though she was younger and inexperienced, the anima being accepted by the animus, this was probably written by a middle-aged NT.

Of the subplots, the teacher was NT had an NF girlfriend. The NT was trying to act like an NF by being overwhelmed and looking for meaning, and the NF like an NT like when she asked for numbers in his vision. She was ruling him, and their story ended when he ruled himself.

Put those two together, the NT accepts the NF and follows to new territory, yet does not relinquish control to the NF.

And finally on that point, their solutions was to help scientists (NTs) make a better future from pure things (NF).

Of the parents, the other was SJ, the father SP. The end of their story was when he acted like an SJ by becoming responsible and doing things for the family over his job.

Rhiannon Leigh Wryn plays the girl, but keeps talking like she's four or five years old, probably for the cute effect. I found it dissapointing, because i would have much rather seen her actually act. All the other actors seemed basically fine.

There was a quick showing of Bruce Harwood, though he's gained weight since The Lone Gunmen.

The seemingly obligatory non-G scene was the teacher kissing his girlfriend. It added absolutely nothing to the story, and was probably added because seemingly every movie must has a kiss in it somewhere.

The historical inaccuracy was showing Alice Liddel with a Mimzy. Firstly, it make no sense because Dodgeson was no longer talking to her when he wrote Looking Glass, so she probably read Jabberwocky (which mentions mimzy) for the first time much later than the picture. That is, the picture is from July 1860, and it was that picture that was pasted over his drawing of her in Alice's adventures Underground (predating even the first book). Although, considering he wrote Jabberwocky even before she was born, he may have mentioned it to her, but that is an unlikely explanation, especially since the White Rabbit is introduced in Wonderland, not Looking Glass.

Secondly, the picture has her with arms folded (left over right) and she is not holding anything other than her sleeve. The picture skips the ferns to her left, and her dangling feet.

And, of course, if Alice did have a Mimzy, and could do what Emma did, Dodgeson's mechanical bat would never have held her interest as reported in his diary.

Other than that, he said, it was a nice movie. :)

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Alice and whatnot (1)

IpalindromeI (515070) | more than 7 years ago | (#18618759)

(Keep in mind, I haven't seen the movie yet. I'm just going off of your description.)

The movie is based on the short story 'Mimsy Were the Borogoves' by Lewis Padgett. I read the story years ago, but from what I remember, it doesn't mention Alice Liddel or Dodgeson at all, it just references that first stanza of Jabberwocky. I guess they wanted to add some "depth."

Also in the story, the sister is quite young, maybe 3 or 4. This allows her to more quickly grasp the "toys," as she doesn't have as much human education to block her insight. Her brother is around 8 or 9, and he has to ask her for help or be told what to do for almost everything involving the toys, because his education muddles the thinking. Anyway, that may explain why she acted so young in the movie.

Most of the movie sounds added-on, which makes sense since the story is short. For example, I think the story happens in the summer, so there aren't any teachers involved. No one other than the parents even know about the events, and I don't think they had their own subplot.

Since I haven't seen it, I don't know if the movie ends differently from the shory, so I won't spoil it. The story is good, I recommend it. I read it in a science fiction collection, The Science Fiction Hall of Fame, Volume 1, but searching around, it looks like there is also at least one Henry Kuttner collection (Lewis Padgett's real name).

Re:Alice and whatnot (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | more than 7 years ago | (#18621607)

I've read the short story- now I just HAVE to see this movie even if it adds other stuff (was the Meyers-Briggs stuff in the movie, or was that just this reviewer's estimation of the character types?)

Re:Alice and whatnot (1)

Chacham (981) | more than 7 years ago | (#18622783)

(was the Meyers-Briggs stuff in the movie, or was that just this reviewer's estimation of the character types?)

My estimation.

Basically any character given the power of sight is the NT. NTs believe they see everything. A recent kids movie, Zoom [imdb.com] did the same thing. In there, the four superheroes were the four types, and each did something their opposite by movie's end. The Fantastic Four movies do the same thing. In general, movies about people maturing as opposed to movies about events unwrapping, are people becoming their opposite (Artisan/Guardian and Idealist/Rational). In general there are two characters, being Artisan and Guardian or just all four. Jung noticed this and called them archetypes when referring to events. At its base, most stories are esentially the same, find just a few different story arcs. The beauty is in how they are told.

And this isn't MBTI, it's Keirsey's four types. It's more noticeable, as it is about what people do than what their functional motivation is (Keirsey erred wildly on that part) and most spoken of by authors. Considering the movie is about external events, the maturation is external, and thus Keirseyesque. Had it been MBTI, the NT, being INTP, would have matured into ISTP, the father the ESTP to an ESFP, and the like.

I didn't mean this as a review. If so, i would have titled it as such. It's merely verbalizing what was going on inside my head after i finished watching it. I (believe that i) skipped all spoilers, and felt i didn't need to point that out simply because it was not meant as a review.

Either way, there is a sweetness to the movie. If you read the book (which i have not), you may want to see it if you can. I doubt it will be dissapointing as a movie (as oppsoed to retelling the story faithfully).

Re:Alice and whatnot (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | more than 7 years ago | (#18624145)

The original was a short story, albeit one that won a Hugo. I'm not sure I remember the details too much, other than the point made that young children, having no other information, think that we're all the same inside like a potato (the toys, especially the anthropomorphically accurate dolls, were of concern to the parents- espeically how they differed from present-day humans- and thus in the short story they brought up that concern to the therapist). It's the only thing I remember from the short story- so it will be interesting seeing it expanded to a movie.

I doubt I'll watch it until it's been out on DVD for some time. I'm a Douglas Adams fan, but I've yet to see the HHGTTG movie either....

Re:Alice and whatnot (1)

Chacham (981) | more than 7 years ago | (#18631205)

I don't remember any usch point being expressed.

And, i downloaded the movie.

Re:Alice and whatnot (1)

Chacham (981) | more than 7 years ago | (#18622593)

Thanx for the info.

Also in the story, the sister is quite young, maybe 3 or 4. This allows her to more quickly grasp the "toys," as she doesn't have as much human education to block her insight. Her brother is around 8 or 9, and he has to ask her for help or be told what to do for almost everything involving the toys, because his education muddles the thinking.

Well, the movie has it backwards. She finds them, but he realizes some use first. She doesn't help him with that. She just becomes all-knowing at one point and starts giving orders.

Anyway, that may explain why she acted so young in the movie.

I appreciate the information. It certainly makes it more plausable. But i still doubt that was the intention. Than again, i'm currently reading Shirley Temple's autobiography, Child Star [amazon.com] , where she complains of much the same.

Most of the movie sounds added-on, which makes sense since the story is short. For example, I think the story happens in the summer, so there aren't any teachers involved.

This one starts on Easter vacation.

No one other than the parents even know about the events,

They get involved, though the kids want to keep it to themselves. Which i thought was very unlike what they would really do. They easily would have shown it off.

and I don't think they had their own subplot.

It was minor. But it was there.

The story is good, I recommend it. I read it in a science fiction collection, The Science Fiction Hall of Fame, Volume 1, but searching around, it looks like there is also at least one Henry Kuttner collection (Lewis Padgett's real name).

Thanx. I may just take a look.

Automated Alice (1)

rholliday (754515) | more than 7 years ago | (#18640211)

I just finished reading Automated Alice [wikipedia.org] by Jeff Noon. It's supposed to be a sequel to Wonderland and Looking Glass set in the future. Of sorts. Anyway, it was pretty good, even though I haven't actually read those books and am not into that sort of thing usually. Should be a great read if you are.

Hrm... (1)

huckda (398277) | more than 7 years ago | (#18691267)

Verbiage...

wtf is an NT and NF? ;)
Help Huck with the lingo...

Re:Hrm... (1)

Chacham (981) | more than 7 years ago | (#18713075)

NT and NF are from the MBTI. They represent groups as Keirsey defined them.

If you do not know what they are, i am not sure i can explain them too quickly.
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