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Vista Failure Log.

twitter (104583) writes | more than 6 years ago

Windows 16

Vista has failed [officialy] and M$ may soon go out of business. This is a list of failure and rejection news, written as it happened. Here is what Vista looks like to me. This is what it looks like to x

Vista has failed [officialy] and M$ may soon go out of business. This is a list of failure and rejection news, written as it happened. Here is what Vista looks like to me. This is what it looks like to xkcd and having seen the single line of blinking text that Vista reduced a friend's computer to, I can agree. Vista is such a flop it can take M$ down, which would put an end to their attacks on free software, free software advocates and reasonable standards. Vista's failure is the predicted, practical result of a business model that tries to keep customers helpless and divided. Renaming Vista 6.1 to Windows 7 won't save it.

Most ammusing failure, 12/08/2008, Stephen Fry just wants one copy of Vista that works:

I hate Vista so much I want to cry. Bought a Vaio. The most useless $4k ever spent. It just will not join a sec-enabled network. ... I have nine macs!!!!!! I don't need another fucking mac. I just want ONE ARSING PC that isn't complete SHIT. ... Too late. It's going out the window. I can't put up with this sort of arse. Listemn I have parallels, I have fusion, I have 2 distros of Linux. I need jsut one, just 1 of cunting Vista so that I can review things. Forgive intemperate language, but every time I buy a PC they're worse, not better than they were before and it make me so angry I could kill. ... I've calmed down now. Vista and PCs are so crap it's funny

Here's a more technical discussion of the same problems.

The six year development was troubled and expensive. There were signs that nothing important had changed. Promissed features evaporated and those that came through were downright creepy.

Then came real use and real problems for users: security problems, devices not working, features dropped, competitors run off and high costs.

The list keeps growing as people report Vista problems and restrictions. See this list of 100 popular reactions to Vista. The most damning evidence of all comes from user videos. See the bugs for yourself in this list of Vista Sucks YouTube videos, I've collected more than 50 but there are more than a thousand of them and people keep adding new ones. On February 2, 2008 a new lowpoint was reached when it could honestly be argued that Vista is not as good as GNU/Linux for gaming. Yes, Vista is not even good for gaming. Understandably late to the list party, David M Williams's 100 reasons GNU/Linux is better than Vista is very amusing. The bottom line is that Vista demands total M$ control of your computer but this is an impossible task and the result is a system that's terminally buggy and slow. Read on now for a chronological listing of failure, rejection and revolt.

There was rejection and the revolt is ongoing.

Vista has failed and has become a synonym for tech disaster as M$ also fails. For nearly three years, Vista has been rejected by home users, business users, the mainstream and wintel press and is predictably far from their two year, 200,000,000 user goal, even after they lied about sales. SP1 was full of bugs and offered little improvement so people are still having experiences like this (8/4/2008) and this (12/09/2008). M$ would like to tell you it's all in your head, and is desperately trying to distract defectors with Windows 7. People are not just skipping Vista, they are getting out of the Windows world. Investors questioned M$'s place in the world and worth before the 24% decline in revenue. Because people are listening, I'll mark the next few stories. The real story is now the rise of GNU/Linux on the desktop.

Software Freedom is the only way to prevent abuses like M$ has pulled over the years. Faith in source code that can't be seen, modified and shared is misplaced.

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Amazing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20029635)

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Pikachu is also amazed!

Wow. (1)

Macthorpe (960048) | more than 6 years ago | (#20038933)

Okay, let's see.

1) The two BBC pieces are opinion pieces and don't reflect company policy. The first one continues to advocate Vista take up with reservations regarding driver compatibility which is not a Microsoft issue.

2) The DoT said no based on compatibility issues, not reliability issues.

3) "Vendors selling Vista with OSX screen shots" - how is this a Vista failing again?

4) Oracle aren't even developing that program for other Unix-based systems - it's an advertising scheme to sell more Linux support.

5) There's no indication whatsoever that fall in customer service level is due to Vista. Correlation =/= causation.

6) Dell selling Linux does not show they're abandoning Vista, it shows they are selling more computers.

7) Your CNN article summary is awful. Another free software supporter asks you to clarify and you feed him more rhetoric. Pathetic.

8) One man at Acer expresses minor disappointment but Acer show no sign of moving away from Vista.

9) And finally, once again if you missed it, Dell supporting Linux shows no lack of support for Vista.

If I didn't mention something in particular, it's because it wasn't worth the time.

More nonsense from M$ Defender Macthorpe (1)

twitter (104583) | more than 6 years ago | (#20048257)

Dedicated M$ defender, Macthorpe [slashdot.org] thinks Vista is doing well, despite it being the lowest selling version of Windows ever, a disappointment to the entire industry, [slashdot.org] and having zero impact on M$'s own bottom line [theregister.co.uk] . Funny, but I thought sales and revenue were what non free software was all about. What other measrue can there be? Let's have a look at his list of gripes, starting with what's not important.

If I didn't mention something in particular, it's because it wasn't worth the time.

You mean like the FAA banning both Vista and IE7? Given M$'s government subsidy though such purchases, this is more than a sting to the reputation and blow to the network effect. Now let's move on to other silly things.

The DoT said no based on compatibility issues, not reliability issues.

Sure, compatibilty with Word and several applications are chief concerns, but not the only ones. Let's quote DOT chief technology officer Tim Schmidt from the link provided:

"We have more confidence in Microsoft than we would have 10 years ago," says Schmidt. "But it always makes sense to look at the security implications, the value back to the customer, and those kind of issues."

You might not consider security a reliability issue, but I do. You might also check out the original memo from Daniel Mintz, DOT Chief Information Officer [dot.gov] for yourself. It mostly cites costs, but those would be bearable if Vista were not such a stinking pile and did not break so much of their existing infrastructure. They are considering migrations to gnu/linux because they know the upgrade treadmill never ends and savings begin as soon as you get off. There's no way you can spin such blanket rejections as an inevitable M$ victory.

"Vendors selling Vista with OSX screen shots" - how is this a Vista failing again?

Because it's ugly. You would think they could do more with their tremendous accelerated driver advantage, but I get a better looking desktop from anyone else regardless of hardware support.

There's no indication whatsoever that fall in customer service level is due to Vista. Correlation =/= causation.

You are going to tell me that M$'s stagnant user experience and the upgrade treadmill never made anyone angry? Ha ha.

One man at Acer expresses minor disappointment but Acer show no sign of moving away from Vista. ... And finally, once again if you missed it, Dell supporting Linux shows no lack of support for Vista.

I think you missed it. These companies have nothing to lose by defying M$ and working with gnu/linux is something that used to get you whacked [slashdot.org] .

Without vendor support, the monopoly is over. The only problems free software faces are created by M$ and big media: insane hardware specifications and stupid software patents. Free software can and does deal with the hardware problem. It takes time for the drivers to be written, but free software always runs better on the same equipment once the work is done. When stuff just works out of the box, there will be no advantage at all to running Windoze. Because Vista does not run things out of the box, that advantage is already gone and you can say it's because vendors have already abandoned Vista and M$.

So there you have it. Technical failure, financial failure, user rejection and the inevitable results. It's pretty much impossible to ignore any of these things by now.

Re:More nonsense from M$ Defender Macthorpe (1)

Macthorpe (960048) | more than 6 years ago | (#20048643)

You tried to refute my comments by posting pretty much dead on what you posted earlier, with as little proof and as much opinion as before, which draws me to the inevitable conclusion that you're batshit fucking insane.

Of course the monopoly is over. There are alternatives to Windows. It doesn't mean you have to invent what you seem to take as personal sleights against yourself. People will continue to use Windows, and you need to get over it.

What the end of the monopoly means. (1)

twitter (104583) | more than 6 years ago | (#20049657)

Of course the monopoly is over. There are alternatives to Windows. ... People will continue to use Windows, and you need to get over it.

I'm perfectly happy for people to use what they want. The problem is that they don't have a choice due to vendor manipulation like ACPI insanity [slashdot.org] and ogg bans [theregister.co.uk] . Their ability to pull stuff like this is the only reason people "recommend" Windoze today.

The end of the monopoly means M$ won't have ability to do this anymore. It's already happening because Vista is a market failure.

Vendors will be happy to escape as well. M$ has been demanding more from them too and the Zune betrayal has got to be one of the worst ever. There's no longer a carrot to go along with the stick, so it's really all over.

Re:What the end of the monopoly means. (1)

Macthorpe (960048) | more than 6 years ago | (#20050611)

You actually can't stop yourself, can you?

Two more links that have been debunked time after time, and you didn't actually listen to a word I said. Not only that, you say the monopoly is over because users have a choice and then say they don't have a choice.

Make up your mind.

Re:What the end of the monopoly means. (1)

twitter (104583) | more than 6 years ago | (#20059185)

you say the monopoly is over because users have a choice and then say they don't have a choice.

The monopoly is over because vendors now have a choice and are exercising it. This will, hopefully, lead to true user freedom. Users have a choice, but M$ tries as hard as they can to make anything but M$ difficult and punishes vendors who don't obey. The failure of Vista eliminates M$'s ability to punish vendors because no one is making money by obedience. There's still plenty of sabotaged hardware on the market, but M$'s ability to make more of the same is going down the Vista tube.

you didn't actually listen to a word I said.

I listen, but it's mostly insulting bullshit.

You actually can't stop yourself, can you?

Why should I?

Re:What the end of the monopoly means. (1)

Macthorpe (960048) | more than 6 years ago | (#20060403)

Please give me one example in the last, say, 5 years of Microsoft actually punishing a vendor for not selling Windows.

Please give me one example of hardware that Microsoft sabotaged.

Re:What the end of the monopoly means. (1)

twitter (104583) | more than 6 years ago | (#20062831)

Please give me one example in the last, say, 5 years of Microsoft actually punishing a vendor for not selling Windows.

2002, Whack Dell for selling gnu/linux [slashdot.org] .

Please give me one example of hardware that Microsoft sabotaged.

Every piece of hardware is doomed by the upgrade train, some sooner than others. The same tricks that have been proved in court against vendors and specific software packages have been used against specific hardware companies. When Intel co-operated with the free software community M$ favored AMD, for example. If you don't think this is so, I'd like for you to tell me why.

Re:What the end of the monopoly means. (1)

Macthorpe (960048) | more than 6 years ago | (#20067161)

So you can't provide an actual example of either, just an email full of bluster and more bullshit without sources. How typical.

No, I don't think it's so because I haven't seen any proof yet. Still waiting.

Re:What the end of the monopoly means. (1)

Cythrawl (941686) | more than 6 years ago | (#20076955)

Its like the situation with the Wireless Carriers.. AT&T is the biggest but there are 5 more not quite as large Carriers.

AT&T is top on poor customer support, yet people still use them and they are STILL number one in the US.

Verizon comes in at second, and really isnt much better than AT&T (BUT PEOPLE STILL USE THEM)

Sprint, T-mobile, Alltel all have better score cards than the other tow, but you dont see flocks of people migrating to the other big two now do you.??

I work for the 6th largest Cell provider in the US and we have won several JD Power awards for customer service. We beat them all when it comes to looking after the customer and our Work Ethic supports this. However yet again you dont see the droves of millions migrating to us because we are "better".. thats life.

Its the same with OS's Microsoft will always be number 1 just by the sheer volume of numbers comapred to Linux, OSX, etc. Yes yes you can argue all you want about choice, but really look at the prices of PC's these days. They are peanuts compared to what they used to be and thats with a Windows Licence thrown in. Even the Dell Linux PC isnt much cheaper than the same PC with Windows on it. They get the licences in such huge bulk that they can churn them out low.

If you have such a beef, then just fucking format the hard drive and install what you want. Stick your Licence on Ebay (after removing the label and putting on Greasepaper) and supply them with a CD..

Like it was said before you need to get fucking over it.!

Re:Wow. (1)

cranberryhiker (1000575) | more than 6 years ago | (#20160317)

I checked one thing you said:

8) One man at Acer expresses minor disappointment but Acer show no sign of moving away from Vista.

That "one man" was Acer president Gianfranco Lanci. And the "minor disappointment" was, quote, "The whole industry is disappointed with Windows Vista".

I'd say your credibility on this is shot, at least with me.

I don't listen to a fanboi, no matter what his religion or political party.

McTwitter (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20081017)

Old McTwitter had a post
Eei eei oh
And on his post he had some FUD
Eei eei oh
With a FUD-FUD here
And a FUD-FUD there
Here a FUD, there a FUD
Everywhere a FUD-FUD
Old McTwitter had a post
Eei eei oh...

A note about twitter (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20126521)

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=112229&cid=952 1025 [slashdot.org]

Moderators: Please note that "twitter" is a known fanatical sycophant whose obnoxious offtopic rants are legend here on Slashdot. It doesn't matter what the topic is, he'll find a way to scrape in some pointless Microsoft bashing. While nobody expects us to love Microsoft in any way, his particularly tepid style of calling anyone he replies to "troll" or "liar" or "fanboy" because he happens to disagree with whatever they're saying is well documented and should not be rewarded. If anything, twitter is the type of person that should not be part of the open source/free software community. He is an anathema to all that is good about free software.

I'm posting this so that you (the moderator) have some context to consider twitter [hyperdictionary.com] and not mod him up whenever he posts his filler preformatted rants about installing Knoppix or Mepis or whatever that unfortunately get him karma every single time and allow him to continue posting his trademark toxic crap (read on) day in and day out. You may consider this a troll - I consider it community service. And I ain't kidding.

If you're a /. subscriber, I invite you to look through some of his posting history [slashdot.org] . I guarantee that you'll be hard pressed to find someone that is more "out there" than twitter. You'll also probably notice he's got quite an AC following. Don't just read his posts, make sure you go through the replies.

To get an idea of what I'm talking about, check this [slashdot.org] post out. This is an article about email disclaimers. The parent of the post is complaining about the ads in the linked page and so on, and twitter actually goes off on a rant to blame it on Microsoft and recommend Lynx, because "is teh free".

Here's another. In this post [slashdot.org] twitter not only calls the OP a troll but attempts to "tell it like it is" while making some vague argument about "GNU". Yes, if you're confused, you're not alone. The reply (modded +4) proceeds to simply destroy his bogus argument. You will notice he did not reply. This is what some people call "drive-by advocacy". A sort of I'll just leave you with my thoughts here and move on to the next flamebait kind of deal. In fact, he almost never replies because he knows that his fanatical arguments simply do not hold up to any sort of discussion. It's not that he's chosen the wrong cause - he's just going at it in a completely wrong way.

Here's that drive-by advocacy and FUD in motion: twitter goes on [slashdot.org] about some topic and then drops the usual "oh and M$ is teh evil" because "WMP phones home" or some such. Called on his FUD, he then claims [slashdot.org] that WMP stores every song and movie you've ever played in a file, somewhere. Pressed further, he just sort of slithers out of sight, his FUD-spreading complete. This is not about some Microsoft technology that nobody likes anyway; it's about lying for the sake of lying. Way too many of his posts are exactly like this one.

More? Just read though this [slashdot.org] post and the subsequent replies. I guess this stands on its own. Or these [slashdot.org] two [slashdot.org] . Or this one [slashdot.org] . Or this one [slashdot.org] .

Still not convinced? This [slashdot.org] is what twitter considers "humour" while going about his daily "M$" routine.

More? Bad spelling in astounding conspiracy theories [slashdot.org] , more [slashdot.org] offtopic [slashdot.org] FUD [slashdot.org] and uninformed "I'm right, look at me" rants [slashdot.org] , promptly proven wrong. Worse even, twitter wants to be RMS [slashdot.org] , apparently [slashdot.org] (that first one is a winner). I mean, really [slashdot.org] . You think [slashdot.org] ?

FUD [slashdot.org] , FUD [slashdot.org] , FUD [slashdot.org] , FUD [slashdot.org] , offtopic FUD [slashdot.org] , and more FUD [slashdot.org] . This guy is like the Monty Python SPAM skit, but with FUD [slashdot.org] and more FUD [slashdot.org] instead of canned meat. Amazed yet [slashdot.org] ? Don't forget that PowerPoint makes you dumb [slashdot.org] , and it's all a Microsoft conspiracy [slashdot.org] . How low do you want to go? Maybe as low as this [slashdot.org] ?

The infamous Fax Manifest [slashdot.org] ? Nuclear fireballs [slashdot.org] ? It goes on [slashdot.org] and on [slashdot.org] and on [slashdot.org] and on [slashdot.org] and on [slashdot.org] and on [slashdot.org] and on [slashdot.org] . Like the energizer bunny. Or take these [slashdot.org] two [slashdot.org] , which stretch the definition of weird. And you have to love this [slashdot.org] thread.

And in case you haven't had enough, consider that twitter actually thinks Microsoft is out [slashdot.org] to [slashdot.org] get [slashdot.org] him. No [slashdot.org] , really [slashdot.org] . He figures he's somehow relevant to the Open Source movement, and that by "attacking" him Microsoft wages war on us. How's that for warped reality. And finally, this [slashdot.org] should be good for a few chuckles.

It's up to you. We can get rid of this guy and make Slashdot a better place. I don't know about you, but I'd rather take the trolls and crapflooders over people like "twitter" any day. And I sure as hell don't want to be categorized along with him. This [slashdot.org] is not how you advocate free software, period.

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Re:A note about twitter (1)

Cythrawl (941686) | more than 6 years ago | (#20187213)

Ha ha ha ha... I think you just pwned him there.... Not a single reply...

Oh and see how now he is adding irrelivant postings on the end of this list. AMD partners with SUSE.. how the FUCK does that have anything to do with Vista's failings... Oh thats right.... not a fucking thing...

The continued failure of Vista. (1)

twitter (104583) | more than 6 years ago | (#20204985)

I think you just pwned him there.... Not a single reply...

I can't remembering ever responding to that silly and offtopic post. I actually like most of my posts, so the AC's referencing of them does not bother me. The interpretations are stupid, but anyone can click through to the source material to see that.

see how now he is adding irrelevant postings on the end of this list. AMD partners with SUSE.. how the FUCK does that have anything to do with Vista's failings..

These partnerships show that the industry continues it's revolt against M$ and are endorsements of free software. If Vista was worth anything, these partnerships would not happen. Money spent developing for gnu/linux is money that won't be spent making Vista more bearable or a defacto standard. Without industry support M$ has nothing and they will have to adopt free software or die.

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