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Congress needs to stop pussy footing around

buffer-overflowed (588867) writes | more than 7 years ago

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There is no constitutional power that allows congress to really, absolutely force a sitting president to do anything. They do however determine funding, and they can impeach(which isn't on the table), which gives them a VERY big stick.

So if the Miers/Justice dept scandal is really that big a deal, use the fucking stick. Start defunding things.

There is no constitutional power that allows congress to really, absolutely force a sitting president to do anything. They do however determine funding, and they can impeach(which isn't on the table), which gives them a VERY big stick.

So if the Miers/Justice dept scandal is really that big a deal, use the fucking stick. Start defunding things.

The executive has, imo, usurped wayyyy too much power over the past 50 years. Bush has followed in the footsteps of his predeccesors and finally, really pushed it over the line. So congress needs to grow a pair and rein the branch back in, or shut the fuck up about it.

All of congress's oversight is basically based on the premise that if they don't get to do it, they won't fund it. Because while it's a tradition, it's not a power.

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Such As? (1)

pudge (3605) | about 7 years ago | (#20081309)

The executive has, imo, usurped wayyyy too much power over the past 50 years. Bush has followed in the footsteps of his predeccesors and finally, really pushed it over the line.
Such as?

For every legitimate claim that Bush has usurped too much power, I could show an example where the Congress has. And for good measure, I could show an additional example where the Congress has CEDED power to the Executive.

For example, you could mention signing statements, but those have no force of law, so they cannot legitimately be called a usurpation of anything. You could talk about FISA and wireless wiretapping in contravention of it, although that is a legal dispute: many scholars think the Executive actually HAS that authority, and Congress cannot take it away. But let's pretend he doesn't have it. Fine.

Then I would bring up the fact that Congress has attempted to require the President to have private discussions with minority party Senators about judicial appointments, actually claiming he is obligated to do this by the Constitutional requirement for advise and consent. And then I'd note (along the lines of ceding authority) that this Democratic Congress is refusing to pass a FISA amendment they want simply because the President isn't proposing it on its own, despite the fact that Congress writes and passes bills, not the President.

There are very few actual examples of the President usurping anything. The FISA thing is one I mostly agree with, and then there's the blocking of subpoenas which in the case of a sitting aide is not unusal, but in the case of a former aide is very unusual. But there are other examples of Congress, on the other side, taking authority it doesn't have. So ... whatever.

Re:Such As? (1)

iamtheantipudge (1091487) | about 7 years ago | (#20124897)

But there are other examples of Congress, on the other side, taking authority it doesn't have.

So, of course that makes it okay for the president to do it. Especially since he belongs to your party of choice. I can already hear you screaming now when Hillary starts doing the same thing. You won't be such an apologist then. Nixon must be a real hero of yours. And why not? A lot of Bush's people used to work for him, too. Birds of a feather...

So ... whatever.

Yeah...exactly.

Re:Such As? (1)

pudge (3605) | about 7 years ago | (#20125385)

But there are other examples of Congress, on the other side, taking authority it doesn't have.
So, of course that makes it okay for the president to do it.
Why would you think so? It's odd that anyone at all would think such a thing, and I didn't expect it from you.

Usurped is a rather strong word (1)

iamtheantipudge (1091487) | about 7 years ago | (#20124947)

It would imply that there was real opposition. The fact is there is none. He still occupies the office instead of a jail cell. Congress, and the people have given up their power willingly to say the least. And all for the sake of appearances.
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