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[Restaurants] Fashionable Substitutions

dexterpexter (733748) writes | more than 6 years ago

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(Probably part of several entries to come)

"Can I have the fettuccini alfredo and Caesar salad, except... could you substitute the fettuccini with a spaghetti noodle, and then instead use the tomato sauce with a bit of pesto. For the salad, instead of Caesar dressing, may I have the olive oil and pepper dressing? On the side, please. Oh, and instead of a roll, could I get a breadstick with a bit of parmesan cheese grated on top? Oh yes, and for my drink I would like a coke, wit

(Probably part of several entries to come)

"Can I have the fettuccini alfredo and Caesar salad, except... could you substitute the fettuccini with a spaghetti noodle, and then instead use the tomato sauce with a bit of pesto. For the salad, instead of Caesar dressing, may I have the olive oil and pepper dressing? On the side, please. Oh, and instead of a roll, could I get a breadstick with a bit of parmesan cheese grated on top? Oh yes, and for my drink I would like a coke, with lemon, and a few cherries stirred into the drink. And half-ice please. Oh, and could you add a bit of rum to that?" - As might be heard in a restaurant

A favorite means of celebration for my family and friends is to visit a nice restaurant. In addition, my friends and I enjoy sampling food from different cultures (well, the Americanized versions of their dishes, I suppose) and do so as a means of socialization. So, I find the occasion to be in restaurants quite often. Not a boon for my beltline, but a wonderful opportunity for people watchers such as myself.

This is where I was introduced to the concept of ordering off of the menu, and since then I have been very attentive to when people do this. Growing up, I never experienced this phenomenon; you either saw something that you liked on the menu, or you dined elsewhere. I am not talking about the very-understandable situation where a member of the party has medical or religious dietary restrictions (from gluten sensitive, lactose intolerant, IBS, peanut sensitivities, acid reflux...to the food must be halal or vegetarian...I have known people with many unavoidable health and religious concerns), but recently it seems that the menu-substitutions are requested because people are just simply... picky. Or does it go beyond that?

It certainly goes beyond the health-conscious "can you substitute the chips for steamed carrots?" or even the condiment-particular "can I have that without the cream sauce?" but has evolved to choosing a menu item, and transforming it to something that isn't on the menu at all!" You can observe this at the coat-and-tie Italian restaurant, and even watching someone order a Quizzno's sandwich. In restaurants that, unlike a good Sushi place or similar, doesn't arrange their menu to easily accommodate this.

Picky, perhaps...but doesn't picky usually translate to one substitution, rather than creating another meal entirely? And why, when people make the substitutions, is there a sense of smugness...a curl of the lip in a half-grin, a look around the table, and a nod? Is it now chic to order off-menu?

I don't just see it amongst my varied parties (in fact, I would say I see it probably less-so in my own party, although there are Certain Individuals who I anticipate will make at least one substitution in their meal), so I can't believe that it just happens to be that I have gravitated toward these folks; I can hear it amongst parties in the restaurant all around me.

Has anyone else noticed this? Is it, in fact, fashionable? If you are part of wait staff at a restaurant that experiences this often, do you mind sharing how you go about calculating a new price for the meal? Do you charge for the original item, and when the substitutions are extreme enough to resemble something else on the menu, do you suggest the alternative item, charge for the alternative, or simply serve the customer without saying a word? Do you think this will eventually shift the restaurant industry to have a "create your own meal" type of menu? Do you think this is a bit offensive to the cook, at least at non-chain style restaurants where you can truly find passionate chefs?

Slightly unrelated, my mother used to always order fries without salt from the fast food restaurants, at least when the fries looked a bit...flimsy. A bit inconsiderate of the cook staff, but it always assured her (and the next several people in line) fresh fries. She would walk around the corner to the condiment line and add her salt there.

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6 comments

I sub cheese (1)

Mantorp (142371) | more than 6 years ago | (#20205291)

because everything is better with cheddar

Re:I sub cheese (1)

Some Woman (250267) | more than 6 years ago | (#20215969)

Cheese!!!! I ask for cheese to be added to veggie burgers (they typically charge me a token amount for the cheese, $0.50 or so). I used to always order a Happy Meal with a shake instead of a pop for a small charge. In that case, the meal is comprised of actual menu items, so it's pretty easy to figure out what to charge.

Re:I sub cheese (1)

loucura! (247834) | more than 6 years ago | (#20216807)

I used to add bacon to my veggie burgers, but it became too much of a hassle arguing with the cook as to whether or not I wanted bacon.

If I make a substitution (1)

GeckoFood (585211) | more than 6 years ago | (#20206337)

I am much more likely to substitute a side dish instead of something pertaining to the main dish. I don't mind potatoes, but I *prefer* cauliflower. I like fries, but I will take the onion rings every time. I will eat almost anything, but some things just taste better than others.

I don't think it's an insult to the chef unless you get to the point where you're altering the nature of the dish. Minor substitutions are not a big deal in my eyes, but asking for tuna instead of beef is a HUGE change.

Nope, I've not seen it... (1)

johndiii (229824) | more than 6 years ago | (#20207325)

But I do not eat in restaurants all that often. I suspect that it might be a power trip for some people, though. And then there are those that think that - since they are paying - they should get just exactly what they want.

The thing is, when you customize your food, you're just turning it into something that you already know. No adventure in that. I think that it's more interesting to enjoy something new (and I can normally order intelligently enough to get something that I will most likely enjoy). It's worth trying what the chef thought up, him being a professional at it. Of course, we're talking about a minority of restaurants that really offer original dishes. In most cases, it does not matter a whole lot.

There are also more restaurants that are predicated on the idea of choice - Chipotle, for instance. It's only a step above fast food, but you put together your own burrito from the menu of choices.

At some point, excessive substitution becomes rude. It depends on the restaurant.

Subs (1)

Abm0raz (668337) | more than 6 years ago | (#20226707)

I sub everything, then again, I have allergies of levels varying from very mild (slight itching of the lips, like tomatoes) to medium (runny nose, itchy mouth like seafood) to instant death (peanuts).

I sub stuff all the time, which is why I rarely eat out, and when i do, it's always at the same 3-4 places. My parents came to visit on Sunday and they wanted to try the new Chinese place. That ended in a miserable day where I was a zombie after taking 200mg benedryl (8 caplets). This is a major reason why I hate to travel and almost never go on vacation.

-Ab
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