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Home Theater

ces (119879) writes | more than 6 years ago

Television 22

Well I just spent way more than I originally intended to on some speakers and an A/V reciever. But the sale was way too good to pass up.

Well I just spent way more than I originally intended to on some speakers and an A/V reciever. But the sale was way too good to pass up.

What I got:
4 x AV123 Onix Reference 1 Monitor Loudspeaker in piano rosewood
1 x AV123 Onix Reference 100 Center Channel Loudspeaker in piano rosewood
1 x AV123 Rocket ULW-10 Subwoofer in satin rosewood
4 x x-series / Reference 1 Speaker Stand
1 x Wood Technology MU-C Center Speaker Stand
1 x Denon AVR-3808CI Reciever

They threw in a free pair of their x-s speakers (new unreleased model) which are supposedly similar to these. I'll probably end up using them with my computer or at work.

I also have:
Vizio VX37L - 37" LCD HDTV

For the price the Vizio is an excellent display. At some point I'll probably upgrade to a Panasonic TH-42PZ700U, but not any time soon.

I still need to get a progressive scan, upscaling, DVD/SACD/CD player. I'm punting on the whole Blu-Ray vs. DVD-HD thing until the prices on combo players are a little more reasonable or the format war appears to be going one way or another.

I also haven't decided if I will get Comcast, DirecTV, or Dish yet (or at all since the housemate and I mostly watch DVDs). Supposedly Dish has the best DVR at the moment and the most HD content. (though HBO HD and Universal HD are all I really care about).

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22 comments

OTA? (1)

zogger (617870) | more than 6 years ago | (#21561931)

Can you get free over the air high definition in your area yet? I would go with that if possible, no need to shell out the monthly bill to get crappy satellite or cable TV. 500 channels and you wind up watching like three of them. that's just crap. I'd save that loot to pay the internet bill instead, bump up to a better speed/bandwith deal or something.. A nice small tower with a rotor and a good antenna with gold contacts, etc, get some good signals. Then it's *free* after that. I just despise that monthly "bill" thing and avoid it if possible. Right now we are sticking with OTA plain vanilla analog TV, and will switch once the mandated cut over period hits. And we mostly do tapes or DVDs anyway (bought used, I refuse to pay full price for cheap replicator technology), same as ya'all, and a few other regular shows, that's it.

Re:OTA? (1)

ces (119879) | more than 6 years ago | (#21563145)

Can you get free over the air high definition in your area yet?
Yea, in fact that is my main "source" other than DVD right now. Any Seattle area station I care about is doing OTA HD. As you may or may not know the best HD source other than blu-ray/HD-DVD at the moment is OTA HD broadcasts. Cable and the sat providers compress the hell out of the HD signals they carry. The FCC has put limits on how compressed the primary OTA signal can be for broadcast stations.

For an antenna I'm using an old set of rabbit ears. I may upgrade to a better indoor antenna at some point. The digital signals are much easier to pull in. There are stations here with nearly unwatchable analog signals that come in just fine in digital, with no breakup or artifacts.

Not sure where you live but I'd highly recommend getting a tv with a ATSC tuner.

Re:OTA? (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 6 years ago | (#21574407)

As you may or may not know the best HD source other than blu-ray/HD-DVD at the moment is OTA HD broadcasts.

Have to agree with this true statement.

The best thing to do is run an antenna up to your roof from your set, if you want clean HDTV signals in Seattle.

Re:OTA? (1)

pudge (3605) | more than 6 years ago | (#21593787)

As you may or may not know the best HD source other than blu-ray/HD-DVD at the moment is OTA HD broadcasts.
Have to agree with this true statement.
Depends on what you mean by "best." For those of us outside of Seattle, no. If you want lots of channels, no. If you happen to be in range and want the best picture, yes.

I am quite happy with the 75 or so HD channels I get via DirecTV (including NBC/ABC/CBS/FOX out of Seattle). If I lived closer to the city, I could attach an OTA antenna to the DirecTV HD DVR to get the locals that way.

Re:OTA? your mileage may vary (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 6 years ago | (#21600193)

No, it's the old urban/rural debate again.

Live in a city, you get high-speed broadband, high-quality TV signals (now including HDTV), and other useful things like being on the primary link for the Net.

Live outside the city, you get less of all of the above.

It is a bonus of living in a medium to large city. In addition to knowing that you create on average one-fourth as much global warming emissions per person, you know that your lifestyle is inherently more efficient and the close proximity of other consumers gives you large economies of scale.

Why do you think people choose to live in cities? I grew up on tree farms and in small villages (less than 1000 people) until I was 13.

Re:OTA? your mileage may vary (1)

pudge (3605) | more than 6 years ago | (#21601059)

No, it's the old urban/rural debate again.
Statement of facts is a debate? Since when? I wasn't passing value judgment, just stating facts relevant to HD service. Get over yourself.

That said:

Live in a city, you get high-speed broadband, high-quality TV signals (now including HDTV), and other useful things like being on the primary link for the Net.

Live outside the city, you get less of all of the above.
Shrug. I live way outside the city, and I get very fast Internet access and the best HD service (in terms of channel availability) available.

It is a bonus of living in a medium to large city. In addition to knowing that you create on average one-fourth as much global warming emissions per person
I don't care about averages. I personally create far less "global warming emissions" -- assuming such things actually exist, which the IPCC itself has said may not be true -- than the average city-dweller.

you know that your lifestyle is inherently more efficient
That's just patently false. Your lifestyle is not more efficient than mine. I rarely leave the house, and when I do, the places I need to go are nearby, and most of the goods I buy travel a shorter distance to get to me, because most of the goods I buy are gasoline and farm foods.

Feel free to like living in a city. I couldn't care less. I won't do it, because I hate cities. No one should care that I don't live in a city.

But let's not be dishonest about the differences, mmmmkay?

Re:OTA? your mileage may vary (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 6 years ago | (#21602003)

I'm just stating facts. Look, Seattle's not that efficient as cities go. NYC uses far less energy and creates far less pollution and global warming emissions per person living there than here.

And, they have a lot better access to high-speed Net and TV signals. Although I think our core Seattle TV reception is probably better, due to the nature of where the towers are and where the people are.

You chose to live in a rural area. You're just not going to be able to get as high quality HDTV reception from the airwaves.

If you don't like it, move. But don't whine about it.

Same exact thing happened when TV first rolled out. Same exact thing happened when color TV rolled out.

Same exact reaction.

Stop griping. It's a fact of economic life that you will get worse HDTV reception than we urban dwellers will. Just as you will get worse high-speed cable and DSL access. At some point, the economics will expand it to towns and then to nearby suburban areas, but rural areas will always be last.

I used to live in places where we got one or two channels - total. And one radio station.

I didn't say it wasn't fun to live in those areas, just that you need to be realistic about what will happen in the near future in regards to HDTV for rural or even suburban areas.

Re:OTA? your mileage may vary (1)

pudge (3605) | more than 6 years ago | (#21602515)

You chose to live in a rural area. You're just not going to be able to get as high quality HDTV reception from the airwaves.

If you don't like it, move. But don't whine about it.
Fuck you. With a hockey stick.

I wasn't whining or complaining. I was just stating. YOU decided to turn it into a debate. I never once complained or whined or griped about it. You're just looking for a fight because you're a prick.

Re:OTA? your mileage may vary (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 6 years ago | (#21602941)

Thanks pudge.

We got into this because we were talking about HDTV home theater systems.

Someone correctly said that, for most people (most Americans live in cities), you can get far better HDTV reception by using the broadcast airwave channels, which are far higher quality than the cable channels which are digitally compressed.

You then ignored that that statement was true for something like 99 percent of Americans and proceeded to digress that if you lived in a rural area you can't get decent reception.

Duh.

Go buy satellite - it's probably the best choice, but it still will get far worse reception than we in the larger majority get from picking up the stations clear and uncompressed off the airwaves.

Note I said ... way above ... your mileage may vary.

Now, just because you choose to live the way you do, stop trying to impose your chosen way of life on the vast majority of the rest of us.

And realize we were talking about a specific problem and specific solutions.

For most of us, the reality is that we're far better off running an antenna on our rooftop and getting a better HDTV signal.

No, you're not in our group. Economics alone says you'll be among the last to get better reception. That's the way the world works.

Re:OTA? your mileage may vary (1)

pudge (3605) | more than 6 years ago | (#21603061)

Someone correctly said that, for most people (most Americans live in cities), you can get far better HDTV reception by using the broadcast airwave channels, which are far higher quality than the cable channels which are digitally compressed.

You then ignored that that statement was true for something like 99 percent of Americans and proceeded to digress that if you lived in a rural area you can't get decent reception.
You're a liar. I didn't ignore anything. And contrary to your assertions, I was not arguing, I was not debating, I was not disagreeing with anyone in the slightest. I was just giving my experience. Fuck you.

Go buy satellite - it's probably the best choice, but it still will get far worse reception than we in the larger majority get from picking up the stations clear and uncompressed off the airwaves.
Yes, that is the point I made, assclown. And I added that my choices are much greater than cable or OTA.

Now, just because you choose to live the way you do, stop trying to impose your chosen way of life on the vast majority of the rest of us.
You're a liar. I never did any such thing, nor would I ever do any such thing.

Is it hard work being so dishonest?

No, you're not in our group. Economics alone says you'll be among the last to get better reception. That's the way the world works.
False, economics says no such thing. That is assuming that proximity to a population center will always provide the best reception, which -- if you weren't a completely ignorant dipshit -- you would know isn't necessarily true.

Re:OTA? your mileage may vary (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 6 years ago | (#21603773)

My, you're polite.

Keep living in your rose-colored world where we in the cities owe you in the country a living.

Re:OTA? your mileage may vary (1)

pudge (3605) | more than 6 years ago | (#21603971)

My, you're polite.
To most people, I am very polite.

To people who lie about me and always pick fights with me just because they have a personal problem with me due to nothing other than my political views -- that is, to assholes -- I am not polite.

Keep living in your rose-colored world where we in the cities owe you in the country a living.
See, more lies. I never stated or implied a single thing that could be taken to mean this. You are a liar. You are an asshole. You can go to hell.

Re:OTA? your mileage may vary (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 6 years ago | (#21604209)

read my great-grandparent and follow down what I posted.

Any implied rudeness, other than what you read, was on your part.

Now, are you just having a bad day, or are you miffed because we urbanites get better HDTV reception than you will for the next decade?

That's the market reality. There is too little ROI for industry to worry about rural HDTV users at this point, and that situation will most likely continue until somewhere between 2016 and 2020.

At least you've got a market alternative - satellite HDTV - which is better than having no HDTV service.

As I said, I grew up in rural areas, I totally understand what it's like not to get any reception due to mountains and then only getting one or two channels.

Whining about reality won't change it - you don't represent a large enough market segment for industry or commerce to care at this point. It's what capitalism is all about.

Re:OTA? your mileage may vary (1)

pudge (3605) | more than 6 years ago | (#21604379)

read my great-grandparent and follow down what I posted.
I did. Almost everything you said about me is a bald-faced lie -- as usual -- designed merely to pick a fight. You said I whined and griped. Lie. You said I wanted to force everyone else to live outside the city. Lie. Lie, after lie, after lie, and you continue to lie here. Because you are a liar.

Now, are you just having a bad day, or are you miffed because we urbanites get better HDTV reception than you will for the next decade?
I am "miffed" because you are lying.

Whining about0 reality won't change it
I never whined or complained in any way. You are a liar.

Re:OTA? your mileage may vary (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 6 years ago | (#21604577)

Really ... wow, you are delusional.

I just reread it just to check.

Seriously, dude, what happened to you today?

Re:OTA? your mileage may vary (1)

pudge (3605) | more than 6 years ago | (#21604869)

Really ... wow, you are delusional.
Prove it.

Quote for me anything that I said that constituted whining about living up here.

Quote for me anything that I said that constituted me wanting to impose my way of life on anyone else.

Quote for me anything that I said that constituted me implying anyone in the cities owes me a living.

You're a liar.

Re:OTA? your mileage may vary (1)

ces (119879) | more than 6 years ago | (#21606045)

Please knock it off, this diary is about Home Theater. Hash out your interpersonal differences someplace else.

Re:OTA? your mileage may vary (1)

pudge (3605) | more than 6 years ago | (#21606183)

Gladly. I am only responding to direct personal attacks and lies about me. While I know you don't like that, I did not, and would not, start anything here. Will doesn't have that kind of respect ... for you, or me.

Re:OTA? your mileage may vary (1)

ces (119879) | more than 6 years ago | (#21605271)

Please knock it off, this diary is about Home Theater ... not hashing out interpersonal differences.

Re:OTA? (1)

ces (119879) | more than 6 years ago | (#21600649)

Depends on what you mean by "best." For those of us outside of Seattle, no. If you want lots of channels, no. If you happen to be in range and want the best picture, yes.
Well even if you have Dish, DirecTV, or cable I recommend putting up an OTA antenna. For the channels you receive the picture is much better.

While I'm in the middle of the city I'm picking up some far away channels with nothing more than an old set of rabbit ears. I'm sure if I put up a large roof antenna I could get even more. The one that blew my mind the most was occasionally being able to pull in KVOS in Bellingham. Also I'm able to get KBTC in Tacoma which has a marginal at best signal in Seattle.

Re:OTA? (1)

pudge (3605) | more than 6 years ago | (#21601559)

Depends on what you mean by "best." For those of us outside of Seattle, no. If you want lots of channels, no. If you happen to be in range and want the best picture, yes.
Well even if you have Dish, DirecTV, or cable I recommend putting up an OTA antenna. For the channels you receive the picture is much better.
For you, yes. For me, no. :-) I wouldn't put one on the roof, and in the attic, I can't get enough height to deal with the trees and mountains around me.

This is why I'm waiting until 2009 (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 6 years ago | (#21563003)

At that point I should be able to buy a 40 inch HDTV flat panel for my living room, upgrade my cable modem to gigapop Internet like we have at the UW, and install it myself for under $1000.

The electronics market always has a price curve as more consumers migrate to the technology. You can pay $4000 for something that will cost $1000 in just two years.

But ... nice setup. Remember, it's the installation testing by experienced installers that makes the difference in sound quality. According to all the reviews at WaPo, NYT, and WSJ.
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