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[Religion] Went to Church today.

insanecarbonbasedlif (623558) writes | more than 5 years ago

User Journal 5

It's the first time I've gone to church since the whole breakthrough in understanding and change in perspective I had back in June.It's the first time I've gone to church since the whole breakthrough in understanding and change in perspective I had back in June.

So what kind of church does an atheist agnostic secular humanist try out? I went to a local Unitarian Universalist congregation. In the end, I don't know what they really have to offer. I agree with a lot of their principles, and their focus on social justice, but I didn't feel like the sermon wrestled with the rough ideas of what it means to be spiritual and non-exclusive, or compelling us to social justice.

It wasn't bad, just not... exciting. Maybe I'm naive. Maybe I could only find that kind of excitement in a spiritual message when I believed in the supernatural. I don't know - I still find that excitement, but now I find it in relationships and discoveries (of beauty and knowledge), and not in reaching beyond the natural world in any sense.

Well, after all that, we're thinking of trying a different UU congregation next week - maybe a younger crowd with a more vibrant "spirituality" exists close by. If not, I will remain "unchurched".

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Hmmm (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | more than 5 years ago | (#25349421)

To an

atheist agnostic secular humanist

I'd ask: Why?
Does life have any meaning, and, if not, are we just dancing about nihilism in one way or another?

Re:Hmmm (1)

insanecarbonbasedlif (623558) | more than 5 years ago | (#25350953)

Um. Is this one of your obtuse posts that means something between the lines? On the chance that it's not, I'll give a straightforward reply beyond "many other of my JEs discuss this".
 

To an

atheist agnostic secular humanist

I'd ask: Why?

If I'm correct in understanding "Why?" to be "Why are you an atheist agnostic secular humanist?", the answer is on the two sides both very simple and straightforward, and very complicated and drawn-out. So, for the sake of conciseness, I'll give you the simple answer, but feel free to ask for clarification on nay of it.
 
It was a sudden realization I had 4 months ago, when I doubted the authority of the Christian canon. I realized that, barring any sudden personal miracle, I had as much basis for my faith as many other people had for their faiths that completely contradicted my own. A search for proof of any faith having evidential authority has so far proved fruitless. This leaves me in the default position of not needing the supernatural to explain anything in this life, and, though I continue to look for evidence of anything beyond the material world, I need to operate based on what I can believe. Hence, I don't see evidence of a supernatural, let alone a specific deity, so I'm an atheist, but that can change given evidence, so I am clearly agnostic. Secular humanism is a philosophy that embraces our physicality, and lays out reasoned and emotionally potent ways of living.
 
 

Does life have any meaning,

Yes, it does.

and, if not, are we just dancing about nihilism in one way or another?

You must know, as well as I do, that nihilism is a non-starter. To ascribe to nihilism is to deny the meaning of a person's own feelings, and that anyone's feelings can have value.
 
Oddly, I would have thought by ascribing to secular humanism, it would be beyond question that I'm not a nihilist.

Your point is a good one (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | more than 5 years ago | (#25353309)

I should have reviewed your journal entries before floating my question.
I'm rather a student who didn't do the reading before showing up to class, no?

Re:Your point is a good one (1)

insanecarbonbasedlif (623558) | more than 5 years ago | (#25358543)

Ah, well, that does clarify where your question came from. It is a little like the unread student :) If you have questions after studying up, feel free to ask me.

Re:Your point is a good one (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | more than 5 years ago | (#25363163)

Hei, domo.
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