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Oddly enough... (1)

peacefinder (469349) | more than 5 years ago | (#25622901)

Same.

Re:Oddly enough... (1)

Shadow Wrought (586631) | more than 5 years ago | (#25627325)

What did you think about the Propositions? I had the usual grimace with them. They look good, sound reasonable, but then once you start looking through it you realize that its just going to make more of mess. As a California refugee, I'm still not entirely up on who Kevin Mannix and Bill Sizemore are, but they sure elicit responses!

Re:Oddly enough... (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | more than 5 years ago | (#25628299)

My standard, going back to the early 1990s and Lon Mabon's Oregon Christian Alliance- Just say no to Mannix and Sizemore!

That was a bit hard for me this time, but I'm sure there was some stupid loophole in the income tax law and in the mandatory sentencing law for the types of crooks that support them.

Oh yeah, and I dropped mine off last week, giving supporting "I want to see you on the ballot again" third party votes to Constitution and Working Families candidates.

Re:Oddly enough... (1)

peacefinder (469349) | more than 5 years ago | (#25629207)

"My standard, going back to the early 1990s and Lon Mabon's Oregon Christian Alliance- Just say no to Mannix and Sizemore!"

There is not a lot that MH42 and I agree on, but this is one of them. If those guys are sponsoring something, it's probably a very bad idea.

Mabon and his Oregon Citizen's Alliance were the leaders of Oregon's gay aparthied movement in the early nineties. (I overstate things a bit using that word, but you get the idea.) The OCA's power used to be considerable, but it was decisively broken in about '96. However, his movement was pivotal in the takeover by Theo-Cons of the Oregon Republican Party. (Oregon Republicans used to field moderate candidates; for instance, from 1969-1995 both of Oregon's Senators were moderate Republicans.)

Mannix is a former legislator who could not get his plans passed that way, so he turned to the initiative process. He's the author of most "get tough on crime" initiatives - the famous measure 11 for instance - and is a don't-tax-but-spend-lots Republican, a philosophy which carries through in his unfunded initiatives. (Trivia: former Democrat.)

Sizemore is one of those anti-tax activists who makes a living out of being controversial. He's like a talk-radio host or shock-jock, only he expresses himself in ways that fuck with the Oregon Constitution. Measure 5? Yeah, that's his. Double-majority rule for most tax measures? Him again. He's been found liable for numerous sorts of campaign finance shenanigans, and recently appears to have not complied with some judgments against him.

Re:Oddly enough... (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | more than 5 years ago | (#25629985)

There is not a lot that MH42 and I agree on, but this is one of them.

Speaking of which, you did get to see The end of the story [slashdot.org] , right? I'd be interested in seeing your position on it.

Re:Oddly enough... (1)

peacefinder (469349) | more than 5 years ago | (#25631125)

Yeah, I saw that. Don't have much to say about it, I guess, except that I find your "lessons learned" to be reasonable.

When you first posted the original topoff-4 story, I cringed when I realized that you'd posted it from work. (I don't recall if I said so at the time.) It was not wrong to do so - and I'm speaking as an Oregon taxpayer - but it was very risky compared to waiting until you got home. I was dismayed to see that my fears proved well-founded.

I'd also point out how fortunate you were in this case to have a union that could go to bat for you. Unions are a two-edged sword, and you got to see the helpful edge.

Re:Oddly enough... (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | more than 5 years ago | (#25632003)

I didn't realize how risky at the time- I think you mentioned something about it. I think Oregon has a potential problem here- between the spirit of the open meetings law, and the spirit of DAS policy on the issue of internet usage. I got caught by it, and I think people will continue to be caught by it until the Baby Boomers give way to a mainly Millenial Generation leadership, then it will flip the other way. One day, it might be wrong to NOT post something like that from work, on the basis that the public has the right to know.

Re:Oddly enough... (1)

peacefinder (469349) | more than 5 years ago | (#25632869)

I think what you're up against is the "wasting taxpayer money" crowd, who reflexively will condemn any "personal" internet use from a government network. Your free speech, transparency, and open meetings arguments - while valid in my book - will in practice not even make it to the table before those guys are baying for blood and getting it.

Re:Oddly enough... (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | more than 5 years ago | (#25633519)

The grand majority of those, however, are of the generation who still believes in free markets, privacy, and controlling the message. I see those (and "wasting taxpayer money" crowd) as dying out. Eventually. Of course, as far as I personally am concerned- let's just say I'm more likely now to be comfortably retired from private industry before that day comes.

Re:Oddly enough... (1)

peacefinder (469349) | more than 5 years ago | (#25629383)

I voted for the first couple housekeeping measures, for repeal of the double-majority, and for the change to the primary process.

The first three I have no doubts on - the housekeeping measures are reasonable and I have always thought this double-majority rule was stupid - but the last gave me some pause. Eventually I decided that this applecart is broken anyway - one wheel fell off and it only goes in circles - so kicking it over is unlikely to make things much worse.

tomorrow (1)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 5 years ago | (#25623005)

plan to roll over to my poling place after the kids head off to school. I went over an example ballot today and planned it all out so that I can knock through it quickly.

Re:tomorrow (1)

Shadow Wrought (586631) | more than 5 years ago | (#25627877)

I was actually wondering how things were going down there. FL national reputation for voting isn't exactly stellar... I look forward to hearing of no controversies!

A week ago... (1)

Kymermosst (33885) | more than 5 years ago | (#25623125)

I voted and dropped off a week ago.

You're a procrastinator. :)

Re:A week ago... (1)

lmnfrs (829146) | more than 5 years ago | (#25623851)

What's wrong with procrastination? I'm taking a /. break from my ballot right now! :)

Re:A week ago... (1)

Shadow Wrought (586631) | more than 5 years ago | (#25627481)

Never do today what you can put off till tomorrow. You never know when that 747 engine is going to come through your bedroom;-)

What's interesting is how procrastination has helped me professionally. I do a combination of technical and paralegal stuff, and you'd be amazed how often things in the legal field happen at the last possible second. With my wealth of experience from High School and College, I know how to get it done and out the door at the last minute;-)

My mom still mumbles about it since all the alst minute stuff was supposed to bight me in the arse;-)

Up here in Kanuckistan ... (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 5 years ago | (#25624633)

Voted last month ...

Looks like we're voting again next month (provincially.).

There was no need to call either election. Only an idiot calls for an unnecessary election during the Canadian winter.

Re:Up here in Kanuckistan ... (1)

Shadow Wrought (586631) | more than 5 years ago | (#25627657)

You guys vote up there? I thought the three of you just decided things by whoever could drink the most Molson;-)

vote later (1)

zogger (617870) | more than 5 years ago | (#25624647)

Go do chores, some other stuff, then mosey on down to the polling place. Could have voted early but it just ain't traditional...

Re:vote later (1)

Shadow Wrought (586631) | more than 5 years ago | (#25627713)

Could have voted early but it just ain't traditional...

On the radio they were talking that for a long time you couldn't sell alcohol on election day in Oregon, and that there are still 7 states which are dry on election day! I guess back in the day they'd just buy folks beer if they'd vote for them. Vote for me and have a whiskey!

Re:vote later (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | more than 5 years ago | (#25628351)

"I'll give you all Bacardi, if you join the All Night Party"- Jimmy Pheromone, a comedian who ran a presidential campaign against Bush I and Clinton.

Just got back (1)

The Fun Guy (21791) | more than 5 years ago | (#25625041)

I voted a few minutes ago. I really hesitated before voting for that guy; however, I think the other guy would ultimately have made a poorer president. That's not what the country needs right now. So, I said a prayer, punched the button and hoped for the best.

The down-ticket races aren't competitive in my district, so the vote in the presidential election was the only one that matters.

Re:Just got back (1)

Shadow Wrought (586631) | more than 5 years ago | (#25628149)

I really hesitated before voting for that guy; however, I think the other guy would ultimately have made a poorer president. That's not what the country needs right now. So, I said a prayer, punched the button and hoped for the best.

Indeed. And, quite frankly, far too accurate of a description I'm afraid. It'd be a good JE in its own right.

Voted early last week (1)

nizo (81281) | more than 5 years ago | (#25626437)

Not having to stand in line to vote was awesome; three cheers for lucky timing :-)

We had record turnout for early voting, which I suspect doesn't bode well for several incumbents.

Re:Voted early last week (1)

Shadow Wrought (586631) | more than 5 years ago | (#25627819)

The banner at the top of the page is from Media Matters and reads "NM Republicans Smear Valid Voters." I know that the ads vary by the content of my JE and responses, but I think its funny that they knew you were from NM;-) Speaking of incumbents, we have a decent shot of sending 2 Dems to the Senate after today. First time in a long time that that's happened apparently.

Re:Voted early last week (1)

peacefinder (469349) | more than 5 years ago | (#25629497)

"First time in a long time that that's happened apparently."

Since before I was born, and I was ten when Star Wars came out. :-)

Re:Voted early last week (1)

nizo (81281) | more than 5 years ago | (#25630095)

I'm a happy camper that it looks like Udall is gonna kick Pearce's butt to take the seat vacated by Dominici. Udall really is a decent guy, and he and Bingaman will do great things for our state.

Re:Voted early last week (1)

Qzukk (229616) | more than 5 years ago | (#25632403)

Not having to stand in line to vote was awesome

I voted this morning on the way in to work. No lines, just waiting for the lady to find my name in The Book (I noticed as she flipped through it that roughly 30-40% of the people had been marked as early voters). I'll give my thanks to the early voters, without them I probably would have had to stand in line ;)

I Don't Think That I'll Vote in This One (1)

Morosoph (693565) | more than 5 years ago | (#25628709)

Gordon Brown hasn't called an election yet.

Re:I Don't Think That I'll Vote in This One (1)

Shadow Wrought (586631) | more than 5 years ago | (#25632569)

So on a related note, or at least vaguely political but definitely British, what are your thoughts on Winston Churchill? I've been reading his History of WWII and am curious how he is viewed across the pond.

Re:I Don't Think That I'll Vote in This One (1)

Morosoph (693565) | more than 5 years ago | (#25636359)

Winston Churchill? Ooof. Some combination of invented nostalgia and suspicion based on his colonial attitudes. In truth, despite frequent exposure to his "image" and some of his more memorable quotes [brainyquote.com] , I don't know a lot about him. The selection below are quotes that I'd already heard of, rather than what I deem best; I thought that that might give you a better impression of how Churchill is seen.

Ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.

In response to "Sir, you're drunk":
Madam, you're ugly, but in the morning I will be sober.

Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few.

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.

We are all worms. But I believe that I am a glow-worm.

We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender.

You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.

Nancy Astor, across the House of Commons: "If I were your wife I would put poison in your coffee!"
Churchill: And if I were your husband I would drink it.

Given that I am in Australia (1)

tqft (619476) | more than 5 years ago | (#25635899)

I probably voted in Chicago twice and so did my grandma's.

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