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Journal FroMan's Journal: YRO: Look, I'm Michael 3

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Sure, it has nothing to do with rights online, but I figured if it was good enough of a category for Michael to post his anti-Bush conspiracy theories, it is good enough for me.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/02/19/report-oklahoma-city-pd-admits-mistake-pulling-man-anti-obama-sign/

Evidently pro-Obama folks think abortion is murder. Who would have thunk it.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,488644,00.html

So, for those who are pro-abortion, does this bother you at all? The abortion failed, since the child survived crossing the into the world from the womb.

Was this murder or an abortion?

It is possible for a child to survive when being born after 20+ weeks, though the chances are very low. And since the child had air in the lungs, it obviously breathed by itself.

I think what this story highlights is that life begins at birth is a really lousy definition of life. There is a point at which a child can survive outside the mother on its own, or at least through help from modern medicine. But that point is getting closer and closer to conception. Assuming techonolgy continues to advance, we might even see the a __Brave New World__ decanting children.

The only clear point that we have at which point life begins is conception. The unique and individual (don't be stupid and argue genetic twins) and completely separate DNA begins an individual. At least to modern science we know of no other clearly defining time that occurs in all pregancies.

RGSPCP

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YRO: Look, I'm Michael

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  • We're not so *primitive* as to believe that a baby happens at birth. Like we no longer worship the sun, or think the earth is flat. Technology and expanding limits of human knowledge have changed all that. What it is is that we're still just as *barbaric* as we've always been. People know about egg fertilization and human development inside the womb, but they pretend like they don't, because they think the rights of the born should trump those of the unborn, and they think feigning ignorance is easier to ge

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