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Online petition to jail Polansky and boycott his supporters

tomhudson (43916) writes | more than 4 years ago

The Courts 32

A few days ago, a bunch of non-too-bright film industry types signed a petition to free Roman Polansky
Fortunately, the Internet routes around damage. Petition to jail Polansky (remember, he's already been convicted, plus fleeing is an automatic 5 year additional sentence) and boycott his supporters.

A few days ago, a bunch of non-too-bright film industry types signed a petition to free Roman Polansky
Fortunately, the Internet routes around damage. Petition to jail Polansky (remember, he's already been convicted, plus fleeing is an automatic 5 year additional sentence) and boycott his supporters. Exerpt of grand jury testimony, if you've been living in a cave.

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The Christian Thing to do (1)

unlametheweak (1102159) | more than 4 years ago | (#29631121)

Congratulations; you've jumped on the neocon bandwagon. In fact you've lit the torches and are inviting people to march towards the village. First invite the Christians, because they know all about bandwagons, then invite the conservatives, then implore the Liberals not to be communists and to join the fight against evil... It's not about the law, he's served his time (although not the full 50 years for the "drugging" and "rape"), it's about morality. But hey, I guess I'm just one of those loser apologists who should be socially and financially isolated... actually, in my case that would be quite redundant. Nothing new here, just people getting off on their moral panics. The aggrieved parties have put the issue to rest, Polanski has already been punished, and yet the neocons still want to make an issue out of it, because if it involves sex with somebody under the age of 21 then it is immoral, and if it doesn't involve government funded torture and murder then it should be condemned.

I wonder how many "Christians" will do the Christian thing and ask the assholes who are after Polanski to forgive him for his sins. There is a neocon mentality that needs to be fed, the fascist indignation that needs to be let loose, and stones that need to be thrown. It's no secret that I'm not normal, because I've never been into moral panics. I guess it's just one of the many reasons why people think I'm crazy and why I think socializing is bad.

Re:The Christian Thing to do (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 4 years ago | (#29631295)

The facts:

  1. He didn't "serve his time" in any shape, manner, or form. He fled before the sentencing hearing.
  2. If you read the transcripts, he admitted that he:
    1. knew she was 13
    2. betrayed the family's trust
    3. gave her booze and drugs
    4. had vaginal sex with her
  3. From the grand jury testimony,
    1. he also had oral and anal sex - those other charges dropped in the plea bargain

I'm glad we can at least agree that the guy SHOULD have to serve his time - but we don't know WHAT that time will be - after the plea bargain, he ran rather than face the music. So, 5 years for fleeing, as required by law, and whatever the court hands out for the crime itself.

Or better yet, since Polanski didn't live up to the plea bargain, which required that he face sentencing - set the plea bargain aside and have a trial on ALL the charges. 6 felony counts. Either way, he can prepare for his trial while serving the 5 years for fleeing.

Re:The Christian Thing to do (1)

unlametheweak (1102159) | more than 4 years ago | (#29631405)

If you read the transcripts, he admitted that he:

      1. knew she was 13
      2. betrayed the family's trust
      3. gave her booze and drugs
      4. had vaginal sex with her

I didn't read the "transcripts" (court transcript I assume), but I am aware of the issues.

As for serving time, he was in custody for a period of time. One can never make accurate assumptions as to why people would flea custody, but since you appear to know about the case you should be aware that there was constant pressure to put him in jail for the rest of his life for what people gleefully describe as "child rape", as opposed to "engaging in unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor". Of course you know this, and bad behavior should obviously be punished. He suffered exile, humiliation, and financial penalties (paid to the aggrieved party). If I thought he could have a fair, unbiased court appearance in the United States of America then I would probably be more sympathetic to the neocon position.

The issues here are moral, and not legal. The police, and governments will always enforce the law depending on their personal whims and morals. The average person will ride the bandwagon of morality, and use the Law as an excuse. It's about feeling well socialized. People need a common enemy, and if they don't have one they will try to create one; it helps with social bonding. Too bad people aren't as interested in arresting mass murderers like Augusto Pinoche, but instead spend vast amounts of tax payers money tracking down somebody who pressured a young girl into sex. Clearly mass murder is more repellent than "date rape". Actually, I guess it isn't.

Re:The Christian Thing to do (1)

Com2Kid (142006) | more than 4 years ago | (#29637223)

HE VAGINALLY AND ANALLY RAPED A 13 YEAR OLD GIRL.

On the other side of things, that same woman now says that he has already paid his dues and that the issue should be dropped.

But drugging and raping ANYONE is pretty high on the Shoot In The Head Right Now list.

Re:The Christian Thing to do (1)

unlametheweak (1102159) | more than 4 years ago | (#29637301)

Look at the Winners who Upmodded the Troll and Flamer. Unfortunately this type of attitude is prevalent in society: Hatred and violence always get rewarded. FUCK YOU ALL ASSHOLES. If violence should be done, it should be done by the people who are abused by bullies. There needs to be more Columbines. I'm out of here. PEOPLE on Slashdot are sick fucks. BY assholes. I hope you all die.

Re:The Christian Thing to do (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 4 years ago | (#29641371)

Look at the Winners who Upmodded the Troll and Flamer. Unfortunately this type of attitude is prevalent in society: Hatred and violence always get rewarded. FUCK YOU ALL ASSHOLES. If violence should be done, it should be done by the people who are abused by bullies. There needs to be more Columbines. I'm out of here. PEOPLE on Slashdot are sick fucks. BY assholes. I hope you all die.

The problem is that the people who are being abused aren't in a position to attack their abusers - otherwise, the abuser would find another victim, right? Lets extend this to the logical extreme - only the victim of murder has the right to exact justice. But he's dead, Jim!

There comes a certain point where violence may be necessary, first in self-preservation, second in preserving the safety of someone else. Game theory has proven that turning the other cheek doesn't work with certain types of people - they only understand physical punishment. That's why Polanski fled - he feared the loss of his physical freedom.

The saying "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time" is quite apropos. The guy is a child rapist, by his own sworn testimony at the plea bargain. You want that people should ignore that because not everything else in the world is perfect? Where do you start, since each person you try to bring to justice will have the same excuse - "Why are yu punishing me when so many others aren't being punished?" Pinochet (since you used him as an example) could make the same argument - there are others throughout history just as bad as him.

It shouldn't surprise you that people are happy that an admitted child molester is being brought to justice - 1 in 4 women, and 1 in 10 men, are sexually molested by the age of 18. Most don't speak up because of shame, fear, a bad self-image, etc. Many don't want their accusers brought to justice because it means reliving what they're trying to bury, because THEY can't live with it. Fortunately, society has evolved, and the targets of sexual abuse aren't seen as "damaged goods" any more, so let's punish people like Polanski and send a message.

Besides, we don't know if Polanski diddled other kids - reading the teranscripts, it's quite possible, and that they never came forward because they saw the plea bargain was a joke.

Re:The Christian Thing to do (1)

unlametheweak (1102159) | more than 4 years ago | (#29637693)

HE VAGINALLY AND ANALLY RAPED A 13 YEAR OLD GIRL.

I'll leave one more comment before I permanently erase my password here. He NEVER " VAGINALLY AND ANALLY RAPED A 13 YEAR OLD GIRL", what he did do is pressure a girl under his employment to have sex with him. There was no kidnapping or violence used, as is implied by the Trolls and Liars who want to physically harm me because I'm trying to bring some Truth and Rationality to an irrational situation. Unfortunately the Truth is always the first victim of a lynch mob.

You people can have your fun demonizing me and being proud of yourselves, meanwhile I'll spend my time studying psychology, and all the other social sciences that people like you always put down. I'll admit that I am a freak because I don't lie, steal and cheat, and I'm not into lynch mobs either. My opinion of people like you and the person who openly stated that he wants to kill me are almost the same (but not so violent in nature); you people are disturbing.

Re:The Christian Thing to do (1)

Com2Kid (142006) | more than 4 years ago | (#29639609)

what he did do is pressure a girl under his employment to have sex with him.

That is called rape.

She repeatedly asked him to stop, he didn't.

Re:The Christian Thing to do (1)

pudge_confirmer (1504761) | more than 4 years ago | (#29639665)

sorry to see you plan to abandon the unlametheweak identity.

vaya con dios

Re:The Christian Thing to do (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 4 years ago | (#29641537)

I'll leave one more comment before I permanently erase my password here. He NEVER " VAGINALLY AND ANALLY RAPED A 13 YEAR OLD GIRL", what he did do is pressure a girl under his employment to have sex with him. There was no kidnapping or violence used, as is implied by the Trolls and Liars who want to physically harm me because I'm trying to bring some Truth and Rationality to an irrational situation. Unfortunately the Truth is always the first victim of a lynch mob.

  1. He admitted to the vaginal sex, in return for the sodomy charge, the drug charges, etc., being dropped. Read the plea bargain.
  2. Rape doesn't involve kidnapping - that would be a separate offence.
  3. What he did was pressure a MINOR - a 13-year-old - into letting him rape her. She said no, AND tried to get away from him. How much more do you want a drunk 13-year-old girl to do, when there are no other adults present?
  4. As for truth being a victim here - you haven't even read the transcripts, or you would have known that he copped to the vaginal sex. You would have known that he knew prior that she was only 13. You would have known that she tried to get away from him. You would have known that there was no consent, and it was rape. Or "rape-rape". So when you said that he never "vaginally and anally raped a 13 year old girl", you're either misinformed or lying. Red the grand jury testimony and the plea bargain. He did nore than that, and his semen ended up in her panties and rectum. The hospital examined her several hours later and found his semen. Do you have an alternate explanation? One that doesn't involve the twilight zone, or conspiracies, or alternate realities? Becaue Polanski would like to hear it. He could use an explanation. Problem is, he's already admitted he had sex with her, knowing she was only 13.

You people can have your fun demonizing me and being proud of yourselves, meanwhile I'll spend my time studying psychology, and all the other social sciences that people like you always put down. I'll admit that I am a freak because I don't lie, steal and cheat, and I'm not into lynch mobs either. My opinion of people like you and the person who openly stated that he wants to kill me are almost the same (but not so violent in nature); you people are disturbing.

As for studying psychology, been there, done that - general, child, adolescent, abnormal, sex - studying is good, but it doesn't replace understanding. Try talking to someone who was raped a generation ago, and who is STILL carrying around the mind-set of shame because back then, that's the way it was. Or blaming themselves, because, like caged animals, when they can't fight their oppressor, they turn it inwards, on themselves. A lot of times, victims can't speak up for themselves because the same traits that made them easy pickings for bullies and abusers also keep them from fighting back.

As for the demonizing, this is a very emotionally charged issue, and Polanski's actions are indefensible. He knows it, which is why he took the plea bargain in the first place. The trial was going to be a slam dunk. The hospital found his semen in the girl, so sodomy was a slam-dunk, as was child molestation, as was illegal sex with a minor. He was easily looking at a decade or more in jail. The whole idea of a plea bargain was SUPPOSED to be that he gets some sort of punishment, and the victim doesn't have to testify in court. Well, he reneged on it.

What is so wrong about calling a child rapist a child rapist? It's what he did. It's what he is.

Faulty logic (2, Insightful)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 4 years ago | (#29638483)

Too bad people aren't as interested in arresting mass murderers like Augusto Pinoche, but instead spend vast amounts of tax payers money tracking down somebody who pressured a young girl into sex. Clearly mass murder is more repellent than "date rape". Actually, I guess it isn't.

It's not an either-or choice.

Also, he didn't "date rape" her. No means no. The sex was non-consensual. He's at least as bad as anyone who slips a woman a date-rape drug. Also, the victim in such cases is usually the last person capable of making a proper evaluation. Too often, they seek in their own minds to minimize the severity of the crime, so as to not feel like a victim.

So, if someone took advantage of you while you were drunk to rape you up the ass, you'd be okay with letting them go free because nobody's going after Pinochet?

Re:The thing to do (RANT) (2, Insightful)

RM6f9 (825298) | more than 4 years ago | (#29631435)

To hell with him doing time - any adult (18+) who while in that age range has had sexual relations with a 13-yr-old child should have his genitals blown off with a double-barreled 12-gauge - if he doesn't bleed to death, put the next both-barrels shot through his head - all, all, ALL actual child molesters should be shot completely dead, and my conscience would have no qualms about pulling the trigger, as many times as I have rounds, targets, and a functional firearm.
It's not about socialism, or christianity, or neoconservatism (Christ - if He exists, which I doubt, see my journal for reasons why - will forgive them, that's His job) - I want each and every one of those wastes of skin/thieves of innocence OFF MY PLANET. No reason, no viable excuse exists for that behavior.

Re:The thing to do (RANT) (1)

unlametheweak (1102159) | more than 4 years ago | (#29631449)

Thank you for being a good example of what I am trying to fight against. You people need to speak up more often.

Re:The thing to do (RANT) (2, Insightful)

RM6f9 (825298) | more than 4 years ago | (#29631541)

Yeah - stand up and defend a child-rapist against me, or any other of the growing number of people who realize that there are such things as Right and Wrong, raping children is Wrong regardless of labels, and tolerating it or actively defending those who do it lies dangerously close to perpetrating it.
Thank you for letting me know exactly where you stand.

Re:The thing to do (RANT) (1)

unlametheweak (1102159) | more than 4 years ago | (#29631573)

You spoke about about sexual relations in general, and not just about "rape":

To hell with him doing time - any adult (18+) who while in that age range has had sexual relations with a 13-yr-old child should have his genitals blown off with a double-barreled 12-gauge

You are obviously a neocon in your attitudes and beliefs. You are obviuosly attempting to twist what I say into propaganda to support your own immoral views. You say that you want to murder, kill and torture. You claim that sex is bad. Clearly you have problems. You are sicko.

Re:The thing to do (RANT) (1)

RM6f9 (825298) | more than 4 years ago | (#29632015)

Hey, MORON: "

"You spoke about about sexual relations in general, and not just about "rape":"

ANY "sexual relations" between an 18+ yr old and a 13 yr old IS RAPE!!!
Yes, I claim that RAPE is WRONG - the logical error of over-generalizing what I said into implying that "sex is bad" merely paints you as stupid.

As far as my being "sicko", you are more than likely correct: Being anally raped by my 40-something father when I was 13 probably had a lot to do with it.

I have succeeded in talking myself out of killing him numerous times only through the (possibly delusional) belief that while he lives, he suffers - when he dies, maybe he doesn't suffer anymore - can you even begin to fathom the absolute ichor of hatred festering inside me for him and those like him? Unless you've survived it yourself from that age, NO.

You obviously have nothing remotely like this in your experience of life - you have no real knowledge from which to dispense your judgments - I do.

Go suck a gun barrel, defender of child-rapists - you're *almost* as bad as they are.

Re:The thing to do (RANT) (1)

unlametheweak (1102159) | more than 4 years ago | (#29632225)

Hey, MORON: "

I have had IQ tests to prove that I am not a moron. You are just arguing with Flame warfare and propaganda, because you know that you can't win through logic or rationality.

ANY "sexual relations" between an 18+ yr old and a 13 yr old IS RAPE!!!

A) You claim that this isn't a neocon issue and yet you do what the neocons do; create a moral issue where there is none, and then force your moral views onto other people, and then threaten to kill and torture people who don't live up to your bizarre moral views.

paints you as stupid.

Again, not very good logic here.

Being anally raped by my 40-something father when I was 13 probably had a lot to do with it.

That is a logical error in reasoning which many people have; they illogically correlate variables together. Unfortunately consensual sex has nothing to do with unconsensual sex. Rape victims often over-generalize that way. You need to see through your illogic. Hating people and wanting to harm people won't make things better for you or for anybody.

Go suck a gun barrel, defender of child-rapists - you're *almost* as bad as they are.

Again, your lies and propaganda can't be defended by anything you say. I've been abused by neocons like yourself, and I choose to use reason instead of violence on them. The sad thing is that you probably realize that equating rape with sex and violence is a logical fallacy, and that you are probably intelligent enough to realize that it is only useful for propaganda purposes. You can hate me all you want, but I do respect all people, no matter what there beliefs (sexual or otherwise).

Re:The thing to do (RANT) (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 4 years ago | (#29638741)

You claim that this isn't a neocon issue and yet you do what the neocons do; create a moral issue where there is none, and then force your moral views onto other people, and then threaten to kill and torture people who don't live up to your bizarre moral views.

There IS a moral issue when any sex with a minor is concerned.

There's the question of consent - is the minor capable of giving informed consent? Do they understand the act of sex and its' consequences, such as STDs and pregnancy?

Then there's the ancillary question of adults in positions of authority over minors (or anyone that they have sex with, for that matter). Just as it's wrong for a psychologist to take sexual advantage of a client, or a teacher to take sexual advantage of a student (either adult or child student) because of their position of authority over the other party, so it's wrong for adults to take sexual advantage of minors they've been entrusted with. That's the thing - trust, and the violation of it, and the issue of free consent when someone is in a position of power over you.

So, in this case, there are two moral questions: the laco of consent (she said "no"), and his position of authority as the only adult present.

This might have been sex in Polanskis's warped view, but it was rape for the girl, and for most of us.

Re:The thing to do (RANT) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29633065)

Being anally raped by my 40-something father when I was 13 probably had a lot to do with it.

That would also explain your line of work [successlocomotive.com] ... Do unto others..eh? Ever think about time share?

Re:The thing to do (RANT) (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 4 years ago | (#29638575)

The guy was several times her age, he drugged her, then had oral, vaginal, and anal sex (the last when he got worried she might get pregnant if he "lost his load" in her vagina). This wasn't "out of consideration of the victim", this was Nixonish "plausible deniability." Remember, he KNEW beforehand that she was 13, and when he first tried, she said no, several times, and tried to get away from him. It was rape, and it was only the plea bargain that let him cop to a lesser charge. There's no defending what he did.

Re:The thing to do (RANT) (1)

unlametheweak (1102159) | more than 4 years ago | (#29631961)

The fact that you foed me is an indication that you are not interested in intelligent conversation. You are only interested in your own neocon soap box. Your multi-level marketing Web site is a good example of the type of personalities that are attracted to your type of thinking.

Re:The thing to do (RANT) (1)

RM6f9 (825298) | more than 4 years ago | (#29632205)

If you equate "intelligent conversation" with "child-rapist" (or defender thereof), you've got deeper problems than mine - I will CHEERFULLY foe anyone who is either a child-rapist or a defender of same! I might be depriving myself of conversations with those few individuals who are both intelligent and child-rapists (or defenders of same) - my loss, so be it.

That you felt you had to reach outside the subject being discussed and pull in a straw-man to justify/bolster your labeling of me says more about you than it does about me.

Continue if you must - I'm tired of wasting my time on you.

Re:The thing to do (RANT) (1)

unlametheweak (1102159) | more than 4 years ago | (#29632239)

That you felt you had to reach outside the subject being discussed and pull in a straw-man to justify/bolster your labeling of me says more about you than it does about me.

As I sometimes illustrate; people who dish it out usually can't take it.

Re:The thing to do (RANT) (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 4 years ago | (#29638661)

Well, you DID make the "false dichotomy" argument with the whole Pinochet thing, and that IS enough to set most peoples' bullshit meters going.

Look, just read the transcripts on TSG, and maybe you'll realize that this guy didn't plead to statutory rape - and that in return for the illegal sex charge, he had the other charges dropped. The guy IS a rapist. His on plea bargain testimony makes it clear.

Re:The thing to do (RANT) (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 4 years ago | (#29638529)

Considering that there's no cure for such people, and that they are at the high spectrum in the "risk to re-offend" category, making this a Darwin Award offense might be the charitable thing to do, rather than lifetime incarceration to protect the public.

Or genetically modify them so that they have totally awful body odor and bad breath, so that the public can at least know who and what they're dealing with (and no, that's not an original idea - it's from a sci-fi short story about 30 years ago).

Read the transcripts - both the plea bargain, and the grand jury. The guy is a creep.

This is why Roman Polansky should be jailed (1)

Profane MuthaFucka (574406) | more than 4 years ago | (#29631923)

Charge: murder by cumulative waste of time.

When someone distracts enough people for a sufficient amount of time, the loss of time that could be used for otherwise living life exceeds that of a human lifespan. For example, if 300 million Americans spend an hour of their lives considering this waste of time, that's a total of 34224 years wasted.

That's almost 37 people's entire lives if they live to be 80 years old.

Fucking kill him now!

Re:This is why Roman Polansky should be jailed (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 4 years ago | (#29638697)

Hey, that's my formula for considering what to make for supper.

6 people, half an hour to eat, means I'll allot up to 3 hours of preparation time.

1 person, 10 minutes to eat, it better not take more than 10 minutes to make.

Re:This is why Roman Polansky should be jailed (1)

Profane MuthaFucka (574406) | more than 4 years ago | (#29639329)

Works for foreplay too.

Re:This is why Roman Polansky should be jailed (1)

Profane MuthaFucka (574406) | more than 4 years ago | (#29639145)

Drunk post fail: Not 37 people. It's 427.8 people's entire lives.

Sure (1)

themusicgod1 (241799) | more than 4 years ago | (#29632243)

but we should really focus on unfucking the congo, and for that matter, south africa first. Take the people who support the rape in south africa and put them up against the wall first, sound good?

Re:Sure (1)

unlametheweak (1102159) | more than 4 years ago | (#29632309)

but we should really focus on unfucking the congo, and for that matter, south africa first. Take the people who support the rape in south africa and put them up against the wall first, sound good?

As to the people, the irrational crowds, the morally righteous mob who label me a "defender of child rapists", I am in favour of this. In fact I've always been against child slavery (sexual and otherwise), and yet the same neocons are often defensive about child slavery since they believe it means they can get cheaper running shoes. It's amazing what type of beliefs people have when you actually talk to them.

Re:Sure (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 4 years ago | (#29638775)

If we include the practitioners of "female circumcision" as well, I'd be in favour of prosecuting the whole bunch. The "it's not really rape because in our culture all men do it and women expect it" argument is bullshit, same as hitting women was bs 50 years ago. Same as "buying the freedom of slaves for cash" just perpetuates the cycle. You want to sell slaves? Welcome to our new Soviet Russia, where we enslave YOU!

There's a lot of injustice in the world, but we can't just tell people not to do their jobs and refuse to extradite Polanski because there are other things going on that are worse. Polanski simply deserves to have the plea bargain voided and face a trial on the original charges, since he didn't honour the terms of the plea bargain (he fled). Let him make his case in a fair trial. My money is he'd be convicted of rape.

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