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Theory of Relativity Exposed as a Liberal Plot.

PopeRatzo (965947) writes | more than 4 years ago

User Journal 6

Rewriting history textbooks isn't nearly enough for the Religious Right. It appears that the "conservative alternative to Wikipedia, "Conservapedia" has some serious issues with Einstein, too.

Rewriting history textbooks isn't nearly enough for the Religious Right. It appears that the "conservative alternative to Wikipedia, "Conservapedia" has some serious issues with Einstein, too.

The first note in the references section of the Conservapedia entry on "Counter-examples to Relativity" will be of special interest to any physicists out there.

I guess that Colbert's throwaway joke about "reality having a liberal bias" was truer than he knew.

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If liberals had claimed that... (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | more than 4 years ago | (#33203374)

Conservatives would be crying anti-semitism.

Just sayin'...

I'll probably hate myself for this in the morning (1)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 4 years ago | (#33205376)

The theory of relativity is exactly that, and there is a bit of faith involved. I believe even the physicists admit as much. Even in the lab, politics and "religion" is not totally absent. They do tend to push results that validate their preconceptions. It's much easier than starting over with the issue of funding hanging over their heads. D_R, got an opinion on that?

Another matter we have to consider is that FTL travel must be possible if space travel is to become at all practical. Present day lag and latencies are simply not acceptable. Even at max warp, it will take at least 100 years to cross a single galaxy, so forget about intergalactic travel for now. Something like that would require velocities of more than 1000 lights years/second! Fire up Celestia for a quick look see.

Re:I'll probably hate myself for this in the morni (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 4 years ago | (#33209352)

Even in the lab, politics and "religion" is not totally absent.

Don't confuse faith and religion. Even in the lab, politics and faith are not totally absent. Unless you believe research chemists should have their beakers blessed before conducting an experiment, I'd say there's no place for religion in the lab.

Religion confers too many unprovable assumptions into the mix.

Regarding FTL travel. I'd like to see interstellar travel too, but we don't get there by throwing out theoretical models because they don't allow for FTL. It would be like saying "I want cars to go faster, so I'm going to deny friction".

Re:I'll probably hate myself for this in the morni (1)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 4 years ago | (#33210636)

...we don't get there by throwing out theoretical models because they don't allow for FTL.

That's just it. You have to throw out those theories, or at least accept some heavy modifications, if you're going to make the attempt, in the same way a lot of aerodynamic theories had to be changed to travel faster than the speed of sound. You cannot cage yourself like that. Otherwise all progress stops right there. It's a fatal flaw in our whole concept of space and time. A complete show stopper. It really only means we have insufficient data. To believe that FTL is impossible is no different than believing that man will never fly, much less go to the moon. I sure hope it doesn't take a whole 'nother millennium to discover otherwise.

Re:I'll probably hate myself for this in the morni (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 4 years ago | (#33214168)

You cannot cage yourself like that. Otherwise all progress stops right there.

So the Religious Right, by refuting the Theory of Relativity, is going to help us travel to Alpha Centauri?

To believe that FTL is impossible is no different than believing that man will never fly

But we didn't have to deny gravity in order to invent the airplane.

It may well be that FTL travel is possible and Relativity is wrong. But you use it until a theory that better fits the data comes along. And certainly Conservapedia has not made a convincing argument against it.

Re:I'll probably hate myself for this in the morni (1)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 4 years ago | (#33214898)

...refuting the Theory of Relativity, is going to help us travel to Alpha Centauri?

There is the matter of style. They are simply nuts. Just like the people who believed we couldn't fly.. in hindsight. It would be interesting to actually live during those times to understand their rationale. I understand your point. But the way some people lock onto Relativity as infallible is just as loony as believing the same thing about the pope. They are impeding progress in the same fashion in their condemnation of the heretics. Personally I'm fine with the theory, I don't claim to know the science behind it, but all that only goes up to the FTL thing. There I am quite confident they are wrong. It's just not logical. That brick wall is just as fantastic as a bearded man who lives in the sky to me. Like with gravity, we just have to discover the theory or force that overcomes it. An "opposing" ToR that provides "lift", so to speak.

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