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Worth reading ...

tomhudson (43916) writes | more than 3 years ago

User Journal 13

http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/12/02/when-it-comes-to-assange-r-pe-case-the-swedes-are-making-it-up-as-they-go-along/

The basic question:

  • Can having sex with someone, where they start off using a condom, and end up w/o, be classified as an assault? It seems to me that "it depends."
http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/12/02/when-it-comes-to-assange-r-pe-case-the-swedes-are-making-it-up-as-they-go-along/

The basic question:

  • Can having sex with someone, where they start off using a condom, and end up w/o, be classified as an assault? It seems to me that "it depends."

If it came off due to "mechanical failure" or "vascular insufficiency", that's one thing; if it came off because one party decided that they wanted to be "wet ans sloppy", or wanted to get pregnant, or infect the other, and didn't tell the other, that's another. Women shouldn't risk getting pregnant or catching diseases from non-consensual lack of protection, and men shouldn't risk becoming parents or catching disease either.

However, it's fairly obvious at this point that the Swedes are acting as proxies. All the parties involved have acted as jerks. White it's true that a woman's prior or subsequent conduct wrt other men is irrelevant, the same is not true with respect to their prior and subsequent conduct wrt the person they accuse. People tend to forget this, because they want to be seen as politically correct.

Ny should resign.

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Wort reading? (1)

Farmer Tim (530755) | more than 3 years ago | (#34452568)

This being about a rape allegation, I assume it's genital wort reading.

Re:Wort reading? (1)

Mantorp (142371) | more than 3 years ago | (#34461968)

I came here expecting a beer story brewing.

Whatever works. (1)

windcask (1795642) | more than 3 years ago | (#34453496)

If it gets Assange in custody and in a courtroom, all the better. The means definitely justify the ends.

Re:Whatever works. (2)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 3 years ago | (#34453806)

You generally aren't held in custody on such a minor charge (in this case, "removing a condom during consensual sex between two adults"), unless one of the parties has HIV, in which case it could be construed as an act of assault.

Even more so when there are youtube videos of one of the women bragging about it, etc.

Add in their employment history (Swedish gov.t embassies) and you have to wonder ...

And this:

tweets by Anna Ardin and SMS texts by Sofia Wilén boasting of their respective conquests after the “crimes”.

In the case of Ardin it is clear that she has thrown a party in Assange’s honour at her flat after the “crime” and tweeted to her followers that she is with the “the world’s coolest smartest people, it’s amazing!”. Go on the internet and see for yourself. That Ardin has sought unsuccessfully to delete these exculpatory tweets from the public record should be a matter of grave concern. That she has published on the internet a guide on how to get revenge on cheating boyfriends ever graver. The exact content of Wilén’s mobile phone texts is not yet known but their bragging and exculpatory character has been confirmed by Swedish prosecutors. Niether Wilén’s nor Ardin’s texts complain of rape.

The tweets in question: http://radsoft.net/news/20101001,01.shtml [radsoft.net]

The posting on how to get revenge on a guy who dumps you http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fannaardin.wordpress.com%2F2010%2F01%2F19%2Fsjustegsmodell-for-laglig-hamnd%2F [google.com]

See these points in particular:

  • if you want revenge on someone who cheated or who dumped you, so should the punishment be something with the dating / sex / fidelity to do.
  • Figure out how you can get revenge systematically. Perhaps a series of letters and photographs that may be new to believe that you have seen more than just a big lie on a single occasion?
  • Do a brainstorm on appropriate measures for the element of revenge you're after. To continue the example above, you can paja your victim's current relationship, fix so that his new partner is cheating or ensure that he gets a madman behind. Use your imagination!
  • Rank your systematic revenge schemes from low to high in terms of likely success of implementation, required input from you, and degree of satisfaction when you succeed. The ideal revenge is of course as high as possible in these bars, but can often be a greater effort of labor and capital provide safer output for the other two, much more important parameters.

Of course, when you find out this is a christian who found out that Assange was "cheating" on her with another christian woman ... it puts things into a third perspective - a religious nutcase whose sense of reckless entitlement and self-importance needs to be cut down a notch.

\ No wonder it was initially dismissed.

Re:Whatever works. (1)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 3 years ago | (#34454088)

Let's find out if the leaks were plants (the whole thing is starting to smell fishy, so to speak) and leave the soap operas to the professionals

Re:Whatever works. (1)

windcask (1795642) | more than 3 years ago | (#34454952)

Of course, when you find out this is a christian who found out that Assange was "cheating" on her with another christian woman ... it puts things into a third perspective - a religious nutcase whose sense of reckless entitlement and self-importance needs to be cut down a notch

All Christians seem to be automatically "religious nutcases" to you, based on that statement. In that case, I won't be bothering you again. I hope someday you realize that tolerance needs to extend to everyone, not just the protected classes of society...

Re:Whatever works. (1)

Bill Dog (726542) | more than 3 years ago | (#34455150)

Barbie committed the Bill O'Reilly/The View thing, and nothing more, I'll bet.

And dang am I glad I don't live in Sweden, which sounds like a pretty scary, forwards place to live.

Re:Whatever works. (2)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 3 years ago | (#34456040)

If you had bothered to read the article, many christians found her blogging about plotting to get revenge against someone else who dumped her to be very contrary to what they believe, and what she claimed to believe. Many of them also consider her to be a nutcase. So if you're going to throw stones at me for saying she's a religious nutcase, save some for the many christians who agree with me :-)

There is no justifying illegal revenge plots against other people who dumped them. this is stalker activity. Ever been stalked? It's not fun, so having someone encourage others to do it is WAY over the line.

I wouldn't tolerate that from anyone, christian or atheist or whatever. The christian angle just adds the "extra sauce" that makes their hypocrisy more blatant.

Think of it. She claims to be a christian, but hops in the sack with this guy because of his celeb status ... (or at least, that's what her tweets sure implied) ... and then plots to get back at him because he "cheated" on her.

People like this are borderline sociopaths, whatever their religious beliefs.

Re:Whatever works. (1)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 3 years ago | (#34531116)

...and then plots to get back at him because he "cheated" on her.

More basic than that. He got really famous, and she thought, "book deal", or at least a 20,000 dollar interview in a couple of tabloids, maybe even Aftonbladet.

Re:Whatever works. (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 3 years ago | (#34531304)

You might be right. The "Kate and Jon" pseudo-celeb mentality has got to stop.

Re:Whatever works. (1)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 3 years ago | (#34531728)

Why? Just roll with it. It's not like there will be any great collective epiphany arising out of this. Indications are pointing to just the opposite. May as well get a few laughs out of the deal.

Re:Whatever works. (1)

Mantorp (142371) | more than 3 years ago | (#34462016)

Charging Assange with a bogus crime doesn't do anything except get Wikileaks more press. Unless you're implying that there might be a few hard hitting "enforcers" greeting Assange in jail.

Yep. (1)

richie2000 (159732) | more than 3 years ago | (#34478528)

I can't really say why publicly, but I'm in a position to say that you're most likely correct in your analysis. The women's behaviour just after the alleged crimes is suspect, to say the least. I do not believe they were actively and knowingly acting as proxies, but the prosecutors saw the opportunity and took it.

There's a lot of shit happening around Assange that does not happen in normal cases. One example that's made the rounds is two Irish musicians who were videotaped assaulting a Swede, including kicking him in the face while he was lying down. They have even confessed to the crime but no international warrant for their arrest has been issued. Quote the prosecutor in charge: "We only do that for serious crimes, like murder." This was just a few months prior to Assange's fateful visit in Sweden.

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