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Well, this is a twist...

Timex (11710) writes | more than 3 years ago

Democrats 10

VP Joe Biden, known for sticking his foot in his mouth, must know a thing or two about how the knee tastes.

Speaking at a fundraiser in Philadelphia, Biden likened Republicans in Congress to people who excused rapists by blaming their victims.

I guess this makes the Democrats in Congress (and the current presidential administration) the rapists.

VP Joe Biden, known for sticking his foot in his mouth, must know a thing or two about how the knee tastes.

Speaking at a fundraiser in Philadelphia, Biden likened Republicans in Congress to people who excused rapists by blaming their victims.

I guess this makes the Democrats in Congress (and the current presidential administration) the rapists.

I know a lot of people had things to say about how stupid Dubya sounded much of the time, but even Dubyah's critics have to admit that he didn't make it this easy.

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When a crook accuses a crook (0)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 3 years ago | (#35543408)

This can go on indefinitely.. Personally I don't find it worth the effort to distinguish two peas in a pod..Their entire context revolves around the avoidance of a solution. Its purpose is to perpetuate an endless loop of distraction, and bring in lots of money through year round campaigning, a neat tax evasion scheme..

Re:When a crook accuses a crook (1)

Timex (11710) | more than 3 years ago | (#35543502)

This can go on indefinitely.. Personally I don't find it worth the effort to distinguish two peas in a pod..Their entire context revolves around the avoidance of a solution. Its purpose is to perpetuate an endless loop of distraction, and bring in lots of money through year round campaigning, a neat tax evasion scheme..

Sadly, there is wisdom in your words. The Democrats and Republicans are always blaming each other, no matter whose idea causes the problem at hand. Neither side is willing to accept the responsibility that comes with making decisions. Neither side is really willing to make true concessions that would be most beneficial for the nation-- they want things their way or not at all.

Re:When a crook accuses a crook (1)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 3 years ago | (#35543618)

The common mistake here is believing that these two oppose each other when really what they are is the battling bickersons. Both want the same thing (power, money, coke, hookers, blackjack, etc) and only differ on the method of stealing it, or rather conning us out of it, since we do play a major part.

Now, all that bullshit aside...

Blaming the unions for the plunder of their fully financed pension funds is blaming the victim. Yes, union bosses are no different from their company counterparts, but we are dealing with agreed upon contracts that are being violated. Their bosses committed grand theft larceny in gambling that money on what may as well have been the Boardwalk. That money should be taken back. It won't be. I know that. But let's not pretend we don't know what happened and believe every lie coming from the thieves themselves.

Re:When a crook accuses a crook (1)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 3 years ago | (#35544118)

Two kiss-arse lackey employees - jockeying for position to curry most favour with their corrupt boss.

Siding with one or another of these is missing the object.

Re:When a crook accuses a crook (1)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 3 years ago | (#35544158)

I was kinda thinking of the grunts, they were the ones who were robbed and most of the accusations are falling on them.

Amongst the bosses, I place no bets. Pirates all.

Re:When a crook accuses a crook (1)

Bill Dog (726542) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545218)

Now, all that bullshit aside...

Blaming the unions for the plunder of their fully financed pension funds is blaming the victim.

Yes, at some point you do put the bullshit aside -- you talk a good game about both sides are the same blah blah blah, but when you finally get down to it, you side with one side, like all the rest of us.

It seems like it's only to Leftists that certain groups of co-conspirators are re-classified as "victims", if they're large enough groups to matter in vote counts. Like all the people taking loans for homes they couldn't afford and knew they shouldn't be qualifying for, are called "victims", of "predatory lending".

But ultimately you do return back to your bullshit -- in this case, bringing up the "fully funded" canard. As if that has anything to do with the (il)legitimacy of the thing in the first place. I know it defies Left-wing "logic", but two wrongs don't make a right, and finding someone to join you in fraud and theft and greed does not make it fair and square and fine.

It comes down to morality. I say something is not right if it's not right, no matter which idealogy might gain or lose. Leftists say a thing is right if that thing helps them increase their power over everything and say it's wrong if it diminishes it.

Re:When a crook accuses a crook (1)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545430)

You know, the only reason you all were able enjoy that nice bubble you had was because irresponsible consumerism. You would have been in a 30 year depression otherwise, which would be continuing today.

Getting back to reality:

They had a mutually agreed upon contract. Only you could consider it "left wing" to demand that it be honored, and that the criminals lose their ill gotten gains. I don't know why the simple things go so far over your head. Must be out of your contextual reach. You, too, are a victim, of propaganda, so I don't blame you.. But widening your view will reveal whole new, previously unseen worlds..

It comes down to morality. I say something is not right if it's not right, no matter which idealogy might gain or lose.

And you're perfectly will to allow the state to imprison those who disagree. I don't care for that kind of *morality*.. If you really believe in people power, you'll pull back some of your support for the empire.

Re:When a crook accuses a crook (1)

Bill Dog (726542) | more than 3 years ago | (#35546366)

They had a mutually agreed upon contract.

Canard. That I might have had a mutually agreed contract with a guy I robbed a bank with, doesn't make it right. Fraudulent contracts are not honored, they are considered null and void. Unions have acted widespread and routinely criminally and should and will and are losing their ill-gotten gains. (And only because financial reality is coming home to roost, and not because many people are recognizing the theft yet, unfortunately. It was the same way with the Wall St. crooks -- most people didn't know what had been going on for a while until it started crashing down.) I only consider it Left-wing to demand that fraud be allowed to remain because the fraudsters vote you guys more power. You Lefties want power, to control people and run everything, and banksters want money, for more houses and cars and thrills. Otherwise, two basically identical sets of crooks, bankrupting nations.

Re:When a crook accuses a crook (1)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 3 years ago | (#35546722)

The contracts were not fraudulent. Except that now we know that the companies never had any intention of honoring them. Hence the scheme to defer wages into the pensions which could be subsequently emptied. Union leadership, being in on it, convinced the grunts to go along. The players knew exactly what was going down. They knew what exactly would happen because they were making it happen. Only you small frys got caught off guard. Only because you weren't paying attention. All the signs were there, big as a Macy's parade balloon. Everybody I know knew to get out. Some just waited too long, trying to get the last penny. The collapse did not happen suddenly. It was a slow moving steamroller. Your economy was the soda pop bottle slowly getting squished.

You concept of "left" is not holding up at all. In fact your entire framework needs adjustment. The picture you paint is highly distorted. I believe it's because of your singular point of view.

Re:When a crook accuses a crook (1)

Bill Dog (726542) | more than 3 years ago | (#35547294)

The poor, hapless grunts. They wouldn't have on their own signed up for all kinds of excesses and goodies. Why would they? I mean, who would want to make a killing in their working life, and then an even more grotesque, ludicrous killing in their post-working life. Nobody wants that, if they could get it. It's only because the union leadership twisted their arms to begrudgingly go along with it. And the grunts would have no idea that their promised ridiculous, absurd largesse could only eventually bring down companies and goverments. I mean, how could they, there just were no signs, except the huge frickin' glaring grandiose proportions of the promises.

They're victims. They couldn't possibly have known, the signs were so small. But me, and say the Tea Partiers, we're not victims, right, because the signs were all there, big as a Macy's parade balloon, just not reported on by the news media or warned about (or better yet, put a stop to) by any of our political leaders. So by Left-wing "logic", huge ripoffs in the making being conducted behind the scenes by other people involving arcane financial voodoo, with zero investigative journalism interest by the (Left-wing-dominated) news media, is something plain as day and we should've seen, but huge ripoffs in the making that people are directly involved in and benefit from, is something they couldn't possibly know about.

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