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Quote of the Day

snowgirl (978879) writes | more than 3 years ago

User Journal 18

"[T]he truth is that privilege always lies with the majority. They're so used to being catered to that they see the lack of catering as an imbalance. They don't see anything wrong with having things set up to suit them, what's everyone's fuss all about? That's the way it should be, any everyone else should be used to not getting what they want." --David Gaider

âZ"[T]he truth is that privilege always lies with the majority. They're so used to being catered to that they see the lack of catering as an imbalance. They don't see anything wrong with having things set up to suit them, what's everyone's fuss all about? That's the way it should be, any everyone else should be used to not getting what they want." --David Gaider

This is regarding the seeming imbalance of options for Straight Male Gamers in Dragon Age 2, and a response to someone suggesting that there be a "No Homosexuality" menu option.

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True- but in the old days (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | more than 3 years ago | (#35691474)

You could solve it simply by setting up a community where a different group was the majority.

Odd how that option NEVER occurs to minorities these days.

Re:True- but in the old days (1)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 3 years ago | (#35691596)

That could be a problem when different communities try to occupy the same space at the same time. Why should I have to move if people don't like my pink house? Majority rule is mob rule, maybe a bit slower moving, but a mob just the same.

Re:True- but in the old days (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | more than 3 years ago | (#35703932)

That could be a problem when different communities try to occupy the same space at the same time. Why should I have to move if people don't like my pink house? Majority rule is mob rule, maybe a bit slower moving, but a mob just the same.
 
Uh, yes, that's the POINT. There's a reason why the minority is the minority.

Re:True- but in the old days (1)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 3 years ago | (#35704456)

Okay, I'm just saying that a majority needs to learn the concept of coexistence as opposed to isolation, segregation, bigotry, extreme polarization, and imposition of its will. The present situation is a dictatorship, in the market and in government.

Re:True- but in the old days (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | more than 3 years ago | (#35708612)

For the majority of humanity, asking them to " learn the concept of coexistence " as opposed to " isolation, segregation, bigotry, extreme polarization, and imposition of its will" is asking for a reversal of genetic personality traits that took two million years of violence to breed INTO the human race. Instead of attempting to go against evolution and genetics, wouldn't it be smarter to design appropriate barriers to simply keep the majorities from attacking each other or minorities, and let those whose genetic tendencies are strongest have their isolation, segregation, bigotry, and extreme polarization?

Re:True- but in the old days (1)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 3 years ago | (#35708912)

Well, the truth is we really don't have a choice. Nature will follow its course regardless. I don't have any real illusion of changing that. Though I do look forward to a technology that can neutralize all weapons.

If the borders don't come down, they should at least be made a bit more "fuzzy", instead of this hard line we draw now. The hard line can be use to direct where the taxes go. Eh, there I go again, discussing something over which we have no real control.

Re:True- but in the old days (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | more than 3 years ago | (#35710138)

What we more enlightened also forget, is that there is a reason WHY the human race evolved bigotry; and the hard line is much more necessary than just used to direct taxes. When done correctly, the hard line also assures the small businessman of the lack of competition he needs to get started. The hard line assures that once the small businessman is started, he's not going to lose everything to a roving band of Mongols circling the town on horseback then burning everything to the ground and killing everybody.

The reason bigotry evolved, is because weak-willed multicultural tribes all died off, because their fuzzy boarders were rewarded with death.

Multinational corporations have changed this greatly- it is impressive that no two countries with McDonalds franchises have ever gone to war with each other. But all that really does is create a new threat to some: the multinational corporations themselves have become the business equivalent of the mongol hordes. And we KNOW there will be counterattacks- people do not take losing the ability to take care of their families lightly.

Re:True- but in the old days (1)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 3 years ago | (#35801026)

...the human race evolved bigotry...

Bigotry is simply an 'evolved' form of a natural animal xenophobia. Humans have only failed to outgrow what was already there. It sure didn't come from 'multi-culturalism'. In fact they use their 'rational' brain to serve and strengthen their instincts. Hence the bigotry, which becomes racism, which ultimately leads to attempted extermination. Most cultures would get along just fine if the elders didn't keep coming out and preaching their hate. You don't see the children fighting each other before they acquire cultural indoctrination, only the brainwashed adults. So maybe the xenophobia has been instinctively outgrown, just easily aroused when somebody gets punched in the face, or because sociopathy is so common in our leadership now. Some things from the past should definitely be forgotten. Either way, it should be considered a perversion.

Not True (1)

Bill Dog (726542) | more than 3 years ago | (#35691948)

The site you linked to never completes the page request for me, so I couldn't get to the context of it, but even so the quoted statements are untrue. The 2nd thru nth, which are merely speculation about how some unnamed, (inter-)heterogenous majorities think, I can only say that it is my opinion that these statements are wrong. For example the Religious Right on what the govt. calls "marriage". I bet that these otherwise homies of mine full well sense the imbalance and know that it's discriminatory, it's just that they think the unfairness is justified in that case. I'll bet they know damn well what all the fuss is about.

But the first statement of the quoted set is easily disprovable by numerous, readily available examples -- unionized workers, public sector employees, bankers, people in Congress, etc.. All of these are minority groups w.r.t. to their counterpart/alternative groups: non-unionized workers, private sector employeers, non-bankers, and non-politicians, respectively. So it's dramatically not true that privilege always lies with the majority. Privilege lies with whoever can finesse the power to exert privilege. And only for as long as they can get away with it.

(I'm assuming your post wasn't an April Fool's gag.)

Re:Not True (1)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 3 years ago | (#35692084)

It's so much simpler than that. Privilege goes to the person standing behind, or directing the gun, not in front of it. Everything depends on the mood of the person with their finger on the trigger, they are usually a fair weather "friend" at best. They might be influenced by fancy oratory and all that human mush. They might not. But we are at their mercy. The rest can constitute nothing more than observation and opinion.

Re:Not True (1)

snowgirl (978879) | more than 3 years ago | (#35696796)

You make a compelling case, and I'm somewhat inclined to agree. Males are not the majority, yet they have male privilege. Whites in South Africa under Apartheid were an extreme minority, yet still had an enormous white privilege (same in many other parts of Africa, like Zimbabwe, and Rwanda).

The rest of the argument still remains though... those who have privilege are so accustomed to it that they see a fair playing field as an imbalanced playing field. They are so accustomed to the distorted field, that they begin to assume it is normal, the way things ought be, or even "fair and level".

Re:Not True (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35697076)

White males are better hunters, and quick to kill without hesitation. And there's little resistance. A cultural advantage rather than a genetic one, though I'm sure there are plenty who will disagree.

Your argument holds up perfectly. It's unspoken law of the jungle.

And let's cut to the chase. White privilege is a global problem. And more than the oil and all that bullshit, it's what the wars are really about. An assertion of white privilege. Let the fireworks begin.

Re:Not True (1)

Profane MuthaFucka (574406) | more than 3 years ago | (#35704774)

No fireworks. You don't understand privilege well enough to make a good trolling hook with that topic. It's a little tricky, so keep trying

Re:Not True (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35708014)

Oh, yes I do, sir. I'm living it in all its glory, in a non-white country, as a citizen. It is very noticeable when I get better treatment than the locals. Especially by the cops. With my whiteness comes the illusion that I have money and status. I know perfectly well how it works. I can feel it...

Guess I have to do the proxy thing again for these stupid time limits that have no effect on the bots and spammers.. fucking slashdot

Re:Not True (1)

Profane MuthaFucka (574406) | more than 3 years ago | (#35714332)

Not quite.

Privilege is invisible. You're getting something, but it ain't privilege.

Privilege in the USA means that no matter where you go, you just belong. Everything was made for you and you're never made to see that anything you do or are isn't exactly what you should do and be.

Re:Not True (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | more than 3 years ago | (#35710188)

How is intertribal warfare in Africa- especially that between black Moslems and black Christians- an assertion of white privilege?

Re:Not True (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35729408)

It is used by white people to 'justify' their meddling. They say things like, 'They need to be taken care of. This is proof they can't run a country without our assistance.' or 'They are dangerous.' or 'We must protect our interests.'. That one is one of my favorites. If 'white privilege' is a misnomer, replace it with 'white power'.

I thought that was amusing. (1)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 3 years ago | (#35712194)

Read that from the link on PA the other day. Bioware's point was obvious: these male characters have the potential to have developed love interests, so why not allow heroes of either sex to take 'em up on it? They've already done the code on it. Out of the 4 possible romance plots in DA1, two were hetero-only and 2 were bisexual. So what's the problem?

Haven't bothered to play DA2 yet, but I tend to play female characters, and I don't see how any homosexual advance would be more creepy than getting hit on by Alistair. Blech.

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