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I have to give Ubuntu 11.04 some slack.

jawtheshark (198669) writes | more than 3 years ago

Wireless Networking 9

As I still haven't really decided how I'll finally install the Foxconn NT535, I wanted to give Ubuntu 10.04 LTS a shot. I installed it from CD (for a change, should have gone PXE, but I needed a CD anyway so I could repartition the i7 laptop... Which I still haven't turned on... *sigh*)

Anyway, during install.... Kernel Oops related to wpa_supplicant. This stalled the installation at about 79% and there was nothing I could do to get it running again.

As I still haven't really decided how I'll finally install the Foxconn NT535, I wanted to give Ubuntu 10.04 LTS a shot. I installed it from CD (for a change, should have gone PXE, but I needed a CD anyway so I could repartition the i7 laptop... Which I still haven't turned on... *sigh*)

Anyway, during install.... Kernel Oops related to wpa_supplicant. This stalled the installation at about 79% and there was nothing I could do to get it running again.

Conclusion: the horrible experience related to wireless is not limited to the latest incarnation of Ubuntu. It's been there all the time. This means, most likely, that the firmware is absolute and utter crap and that's not their fault.

The remaining criticism stays valid, though. It also explains why my Fujitsu Siemens Amilo laptop worked just fine with 11.04, apart from Unity sucking and VueScan not running.

Luckily, I'm the type of person who separates data from operating system, so reinstalling anything is pretty easy.

According to my wife, I spend too much time with my computers lately. So, I haven't done much in the last days... I really should have found me a geek girl, or stayed single. ;-)

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I agree with the subject, slackware is better :-) (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 3 years ago | (#36681928)

Wireless is a mess, no matter how you look at it. Give it another 5 years (sigh)

According to my wife, I spend too much time with my computers lately.

Probably true ... like the majority of us ... (so what else is new?)

So, I haven't done much in the last days...

You can always go into the big blue room ... just bring some sunblock ...

I really should have found me a geek girl, or

... or ... ?

Family feud slashdot version - top 5 answers were
[_] I really should have found me a geek girl, or at least a lesbian with a webcam fetish.
[_] I really should have found me a geek girl, or gone gay.
[_] I really should have found me a geek girl, or used that miracle drug "sulfa-buse" more.
[_] I really should have found me a geek girl, or used an anonymous proxy when I downloaded that calculator for lime vs. body weight and ordered 2 shovels online.
[_] I really should have found me a geek girl [slashdot.org] "geekgirl (36181) is all alone in the world. "

I know, it doesn't fix any of the problems, but I hope it at least gave you a chuckle. And since this is a public forum, I deleted answer # 0, as it was NSFA.

Re:I agree with the subject, slackware is better : (1)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 3 years ago | (#36682530)

Yes, I know slackware is great. Just takes a tad more time to get it right. I was a slackware user in my initial Linux days.

Wireless is a mess, no matter how you look at it. Give it another 5 years (sigh)

In 5 years... Just like there will be fusion in 20 years, eh?

Probably true ... like the majority of us ... (so what else is new?)

I always wonder what exactly she expected when marrying a computer nerd. Love truly is blind. Should, I be worried she sees it now? ;-)

You can always go into the big blue room ... just bring some sunblock ...

Aaaaaagh! The Goggles, they do nothing!

... or ... ?

All of the above? ;-) (I have frankly no idea what sulfa [wikipedia.org] -buse is, and Google yielded not much, wikipedia does better. Never heard of it, though)

I'm in the webcam business, I can go and watch webcams whenever I like. It gets boring quickly.

at at least gave you a chuckle.

Sure did...

deleted answer # 0, as it was NSFA.

NSFA? On my Journal everything is safe :-) I'm not easily shocked, unless high voltage is applied. :-P

Re:I agree with the subject, slackware is better : (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 3 years ago | (#36682858)

Sulfa drugs are bacteriacides. However sulfa-buse is NOT a drug. Say it fast, and it comes out like this: sulf-abuse, which is the sound of one hand clapping ...

Now, in answer to your question - should you be worried? Nah, because worrying about it won't change a thing, will it?

Get out, go for a bike ride, or read a book and work on your suntan, just go for a walk to nowhere and back for an hour or so ... or visit the local dead-tree store (new or used).

It's good for your health and your head space.

I'm lucky because I have my dogs, so I *have* to walk them for an hour every morning and evening, and that gives me lots of opportunities to meet other people, and not just other dog owners (and the occasional guy hitting on me is certainly an ego boost :-)

But still, a couple of nights ago, I just decided to go for a walk for a couple of hours without the dogs, "just 'cuz". A change of routine. And yesterday, while waiting to see a doctor, I took the time to visit one of my sisters at her work for an hour.

Summers are too short. GET OUT! If you look hard enough, you'll be able to find an excuse. Or just do it because you want to - that should be good enough a reason. Heck, just go find a park bench and feed the squirrels or the pigeons for an hour or two. You don't have to have a "reason" to relax and have a bit of quiet fun :-) The best part about feeding the squirrels is people can do it without feeling the need to fill up the silence with idle talk - "shh! - you don't want to scare the squirrels away" means you can invite your wife along, and both of you can enjoy the silence in the event she agrees to go along.

Re:I agree with the subject, slackware is better : (1)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 3 years ago | (#36683170)

Okay, I get the sulf-abuse now :-) The question regarding the worry, was more rethorical anyway. :-D It really didn't require a reply.

My wife's been saying I should get more out in the open. For my health and all. She's probably right, but I have such limited time. Need to be there at work: 8h/day, mandatory 1h lunch -I hate that-, and it's now fucking metered.. Idjits... Great for working morale, especially for people like me who are not at the office all the time for work related reasons. Then there is grocery shopping, the stuff my wife tells me to do, cooking, etc, etc... (Yes, the whole thing hangs on me... Her lessened mobility really is a curse) I come home late, do the minimum, spend a few hours watching recorded shows with her and eventually do some computer stuff, and the day is over again.

I really envy unemployed people at times. 80% of your last salary for a year, it would be here. Sure, it's not fun to have less money, but the time... the time... the time is probably worth it.

We've been thinking of getting a dog. Well, we did a year ago, when she walked better, in order to get her to walk the dogs. She had surgery in Switzerland a good month ago. It should get better (from limping along to real walking) in the future, but right now, she's back to immobility. Which affects her mood badly. She's cranky (lack of human contact during the day, I guess), can't get much done -not even her hobbies-, and gains weight like there is no end (I don't mind, I like 'em chubby), but that affects her morale and her immobility. *sigh* So, a dog at this moment would hang on me. I wouldn't mind one, but with the limited time I have, it would really be unfair to the dog.

You can't feed squirrels here in good old Europe. We don't have Chip 'n Dale like squirrels. We only have the Red Squirrel [wikipedia.org] , and you're damned lucky if you get to see one. They are extremely shy. I think I've seen one twice in my whole life and I live in a relatively rural region. I remember the squirrels from Yosemite. They were not scared at all and technically it wasn't allowed to feed them.

Re:I agree with the subject, slackware is better : (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 3 years ago | (#36684782)

My wife's been saying I should get more out in the open. For my health and all. She's probably right, but I have such limited time. Need to be there at work: 8h/day, mandatory 1h lunch -I hate that-, and it's now fucking metered.. Idjits... Great for working morale, especially for people like me who are not at the office all the time for work related reasons. Then there is grocery shopping, the stuff my wife tells me to do, cooking, etc, etc... (Yes, the whole thing hangs on me... Her lessened mobility really is a curse) I come home late, do the minimum, spend a few hours watching recorded shows with her and eventually do some computer stuff, and the day is over again.

So why not drop the "watching recorded shows" and you've just freed up at least 3 hours a day. I thought I'd start watching more TV with a big screen, but there have been a few MONTHS where it hasn't been turned on. It's not like there's anything that if I miss it, I'm going to miss it. Worse comes to worse, since they're timing your lunch, use it to watch the shows you really want to watch.

We've been thinking of getting a dog. Well, we did a year ago, when she walked better, in order to get her to walk the dogs. She had surgery in Switzerland a good month ago. It should get better (from limping along to real walking) in the future, but right now, she's back to immobility. Which affects her mood badly. She's cranky (lack of human contact during the day, I guess), can't get much done -not even her hobbies-, and gains weight like there is no end (I don't mind, I like 'em chubby), but that affects her morale and her immobility. *sigh* So, a dog at this moment would hang on me. I wouldn't mind one, but with the limited time I have, it would really be unfair to the dog.

When you can't walk, weight can be a problem, since you're not only stuck at home with the fridge, but you're also not burning off calories ... but back when I was learning how to walk again, as soon as I was able to give up the walker, I'd take my dog with me and walk to the clinic. I wasn't fast, but I got there (a 10-minute walk was more like an hour). It's amazing how hard you can push yourself when you don't want to depend on others to do everything.

You can't feed squirrels here in good old Europe. We don't have Chip 'n Dale like squirrels. We only have the Red Squirrel [wikipedia.org], and you're damned lucky if you get to see one. They are extremely shy. I think I've seen one twice in my whole life and I live in a relatively rural region. I remember the squirrels from Yosemite. They were not scared at all and technically it wasn't allowed to feed them.

We have the same laws - everyone ignores them. Well, except one idiot cop. We have a law against feeding feral cats, and one woman was caught breaking it, and hauled into court. As far as I can see it, feeding the feral cats makes it less likely they'll rip open the garbage bags on garbage day, which makes it less likely for the skunks to get into it (we have a big skunk problem here - and I mean that in the sense that the skunks are BIG!!! and totally unafraid of people or dogs).

You could do like some of us did one day - bought bags of french fries, sat on a busy street, and threw them into the street two or three at a time. Nothing quite like hundreds of seagulls to slow traffic to a crawl :-) The city, in its infinite stupidity, was trying to reduce the seagull population, which had the net effect of increasing the vermin population. Well, duh!

Instead of getting a dog, why not foster one? You don't even have to pay for the food, and even the limited time (varies from a few days to a few months) is a lot better than sitting in a shelter.

VueScan (1)

Tet (2721) | more than 3 years ago | (#36720880)

VueScan not running

OK... why? I know you've said elsewhere that GIMP/SANE don't give you what you need and so you run VueScan. Having never tried it, what's so good about it? I have to say, scanning from GIMP using SANE gives me everything I need (scanned images, networked scanner), so I've never had a need to try anything else. What makes VueScan better?

Re:VueScan (1)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 3 years ago | (#36721138)

Actually, we stumbled upon it because we have a Minolta Dimage and Sane doesn't support it at all. Being used to the crappy Windows software that usually ships with scanners and on Linux only the (very dated, and initially confusing GUI) XSane, VueScan was a breath of fresh air. It's multi-platform, not expensive and it also allowed me to continue to use my wifes scanner (a Canon LiDE 20) which is... not supported under Mac OS X. That was a big surprise to me. The "almighty" OS X didn't support a scanner out of the box. I was baffled. (Sane does fine on that one, I admit)

So, by now, I settled to using VueScan as I get the same functionality on every platform.

I don't know if GIMP/SANE can do Multi-Page PDF without knowing them profoundly, but VueScan does. This has proven an invaluable too with all the paperwork I had to handle with my wifes condition (you know what I'm talking about). The automatic colour balancing/white balancing is very good too.

Try it out, the program is free (as in beer) and just a tgz you unpack in your /opt. No installers, no hidden crap. (Well, okay, the binary might hide stuff.) The free version just watermarks your scans, so they're not useful for pretty much anything ;-)

Endorsed by Donald Knuth [hamrick.com] ... So who am I to question :-)

Re:VueScan (1)

Tet (2721) | more than 3 years ago | (#36746408)

I don't know if GIMP/SANE can do Multi-Page PDF

Errrr... no. That's not something I'd have expected from an image scanning application. I'd expect it to, you know, scan images! And actually, that's all that SANE is - a means of getting data from the scanner. What you do with it afterwards is up to you. But it's trivial to write a shell script[1] to scan the images, convert them to PDFs and combine them into a single multipage PDF. I've just never needed to do so. I'm sure if there were sufficient demand, it would be easy enough to make a GUI front end for this, although I'm not aware of anyone having done so. But like I said, that could just be because I've never had the need, so I haven't looked. I tend to keep my scanned documents as PNGs and just use naming conventions to associate multiple linked pages with each other.

[1] In addition to the GUI frontends, you can also access a SANE scanner from the command line.

Re:VueScan (1)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 3 years ago | (#36746466)

Obviously your points are valid. However Windows scanning packages do that out of the box these days, yes even the bundled ones. It's kinda expected. I can assure you the WinXP package that came with the LiDE 20 did it. How old is that scanner? More than 7 years because she had it before we knew each other and I've been married to her for 6 years.

I'm sure I could have looked into it and found it, but since I already had VueScan, why bother? If you have to deal with a lot of administrations where you don't really know what they have installed, your bet on them being able to read and know PDF is pretty high. PNG? Well, probably they can open it, but what if they want to print it? If you're unlucky they still use IE6 and you know how well that PNG support is. Multiple attachments, related to one and the same document? A novice user? I don't think so.

I do realize I have a very bad perceprtion of the typical administrative office worker, but I have good reasons (being my experience). Give them something they can click, where they don't need to think and can easily print to paper (because that's what they are going to do, eventually)

It's not me... It's the others, and I have to live with them.

Given that the Minolta Dimage doesn't work with SANE, and I have a VueScan license (which was cheap, and was worth every penny), I see no reason for making my life more difficult than it already is.

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