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Mozilla

Tet (2721) writes | more than 2 years ago

User Journal 9

Dear Mozilla developers. I know you're a bunch of incompetent morons, but would it really be so hard to change that and release a decent product? Please?

Dear Mozilla developers. I know you're a bunch of incompetent morons, but would it really be so hard to change that and release a decent product? Please?

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That would require them admitting ... (1)

Barbara, not Barbie (721478) | more than 2 years ago | (#38938317)

They would have to admit that the rapid release cycle is a bad idea.

They can't do that for marketing reasons - "OMG we're falling behind in the version numbers race."

I blame Microsoft. They started this whole trend when they jumped from Word 2.0 to Word 6.0 to be seen as equal to Wordperfect 6.0.

"Release early - release often" doesn't create quality products.

"Oh, but we'll get earlier feedback from real users" - so your users are all guinea pigs whether they asked to be or not, and you'd rather confuse them than revisit every decision a dozen times to make sure it's the right one. -1 lazy, -1 stupid.

"But it's Internet Time" - people don't live on "Internet Time." Extensions don't get updated on "Internet Time." "Internet Time" is a myth created by the "release early - release often" syndrome. Confusing an interim test product with the final result is the only way to excuse this. -1 bogus.

"We have to keep up with everyone else" - really? Where is that written? [citation needed], and all that. If "keeping up with everyone else" means trashing your reputation and your user base, you aren't keeping up, you're giving away the keys to the store. -1 wtf.

"We need to innovate to stay ahead." - confusing uncontrolled change with innovation. According to that definition, cancer is innovative. And it risks having the same end result. -1 short-sighted. -1 zombies.

"People aren't paying for it, so why listen to their complaints?" Works so well for Ubuntu - until it stopped working. Now people take every announcement from Shuttleworth as a "me-to" joke. Your primary customer is Google - the fewer users you have, the less your customer will pay you. You got lucky this time - 3 years from now, you won't be so lucky, since Microsoft by then will have finished their EOLing of XP and won't need you for eyeballs either unless you want to go real low-ball. Do you really believe nothing will change in 3 years? -1 wishful thinking -1 crass. -1 insulting.

Moo (1)

Chacham (981) | more than 2 years ago | (#38938485)

I stopped with 3.6. I upgraded to 4, hit 5 gave up, went back to 3.6. With OldLocationBar, getting rid of that annoying bar, it's probably the best of the bunch.

I get the feeling that the newer developers don't appreciate having your own flavor. It's just follow the leader. The problem is, this leads Mozilla into a lack of identity, and as a follower, will eventually fade away. Plugins are probably the only thing keeping it alive.

Re:Moo (1)

Tet (2721) | more than 2 years ago | (#38940031)

Plugins are probably the only thing keeping it alive.

Perhaps, although in this instance, they're the source of my problems. My main machine died, so I switched to using the spare (which brought with it a 32-bit to 64-bit transition). My home directory is NFS mounted, and so shared between both systems. Consequently, none of my plugins work, because no one at Mozilla thought about this:

LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library /local/opt/x86/linux/flash_plugin-11.1.102.55/libflashplayer.so [/local/opt/x86/linux/flash_plugin-11.1.102.55/libflashplayer.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32]

It would have been trivial to put plugins into an architecture specific directory. This has been common practice in the sysadmin world for donkey's years. I've been doing it since the mid-90s, for example, and I learned about it from people that had been doing it for years before that. But no, Mozilla is written by people from a Windows background with no concept of such things.

Re:Moo (1)

Chacham (981) | more than 2 years ago | (#38940429)

It would have been trivial to put plugins into an architecture specific directory. This has been common practice in the sysadmin world for donkey's years. I've been doing it since the mid-90s, for example, and I learned about it from people that had been doing it for years before that. But no, Mozilla is written by people from a Windows background with no concept of such things.

Good point.

Re:Moo (1)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 2 years ago | (#38940559)

Yes, to the general sentiment of your journal... and also Yes to "Mozilla is written by people from a Windows background with no concept of such things.". I've said exactly this in my semi-recent rant about the general state of software and user interface(s) [slashdot.org]

Re:Moo (-1, Flamebait)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 2 years ago | (#38941757)

I'm more inclined to believe it is written by the new Slashdot programmers. But good ol' Seamonkey is still the best browser going. A complete all in one package, and now hardly any bigger than Firefox..

Re:Moo (1)

Arker (91948) | more than 2 years ago | (#38966953)

I went back to 3.6 too. It's starting to nag me to 'upgrade' quite often. I guess I am going to have to start investigating forks. Mozilla has always had problems but this is full retard.

Re:Moo (1)

Chacham (981) | more than 2 years ago | (#38967249)

It only tells me to about the latest version when upgrading 3.6 with security patches. Of which, iirc, there's only two more before dropping support.

If there is a fork, i hope i get wind of it. Methinks there may be a lot of interest for it.

Re:Moo (1)

Arker (91948) | more than 2 years ago | (#39107637)

It's been bugging me for some time. It's not just on updates, it's frequent. The dialogue has a 'dont ask me again' option but it doesnt work.
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