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MS Crashes vs Slashdot Crashes

FortKnox (169099) writes | more than 11 years ago 30

For a group of people that complain about Windows crashing, I must say I am humored by irony of the slashdot downtimes. Sure, it'll be blamed on bandwidth, or mySQL, but regardless of excuses, it was down.For a group of people that complain about Windows crashing, I must say I am humored by irony of the slashdot downtimes. Sure, it'll be blamed on bandwidth, or mySQL, but regardless of excuses, it was down.

Honestly, my server (SuSE 7.2) and Slashdot have been down more often than my XP machine. Take it as you'd like. I just find it funny.

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Agreed. [no textt below] (1)

eugene ts wong (231154) | more than 11 years ago | (#5610697)


What?? (1)

The Bungi (221687) | more than 11 years ago | (#5610736)

You mean Open Source and Free Software sometimes doesn't work??? OMG, what a revelation!!!1! *snort*

It's funny when you confront a zealot hot on the Jihad trail with things like these - I mean, the only thing left is a problem between the keyboard and chair, and they seldom want to go there =)

Horns of a dilemma (1)

baldass_newbie (136609) | more than 11 years ago | (#5610740)

I've been thinking about doing Linux again on the spare box, but Windows really has a lot of the stuff I need (games, video editing, etc.)
Don't know. Don't know.
Should I be principled or effective?

Re:Horns of a dilemma (1)

ceejayoz (567949) | more than 11 years ago | (#5610774)

Dual boot?

Re:Horns of a dilemma (1)

baldass_newbie (136609) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611768)

Most likely.
I had it dual boot originally. Then wanted to go all Linux.
Then went Win98 (games, video like I said.)
Now I'm thinking about XP...
Probably XP.
Got an old box that needs a drive and I might set it up as a Linuxserver. (Not that this is a pressing issue right now.)

Re:Horns of a dilemma (1)

The Bungi (221687) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611228)

Dual boot, definitely. I dual (or triple?) boot between Windows 2000, NetBSD and Debian all the time.

No one OS is good for *everything*.

Re:Horns of a dilemma (1)

kormoc (122955) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611312)

I disagree with that. For my work, as a programmer, and my fun times, Linux is perfect for me. I don't want to spend the cash on windows every few years and I don't want to steal, so I'm kinda stuck. Tis ok tho, I love linux :)

Re:Horns of a dilemma (1)

The Bungi (221687) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611659)

Well, if Linux does it for you, then there's no need to even consider Windows. Personally I can't get away from Windows (and I don't want to), but there are things that simply work better on Linux and BSD.

The right tool for the job, I say =)

Re:Horns of a dilemma (1)

baldass_newbie (136609) | more than 11 years ago | (#5612066)

No one OS is good for *everything*.

True, but I'm just not doing any 'serving' at this point.

But then, I guess I should bone up on my IIS...

Just planning at this point. Probably will dual boot XP and Mandrake.

Yup (1)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 11 years ago | (#5610836)

It's down a lot. About at least twice a week it's not responding. I'm just blaming it on network congestion or so. Besides, there is a huge difference between your own little server and the monster that is slashdot. My server has only been down when the DSL line drops and reports a duplicate user (too fast when reconnecting), but then it isn't Linux ;-) Anyways, no way I would dare to compare a little homebrew server to slashdot.

On an unrelated note . . . (1)

GMontag (42283) | more than 11 years ago | (#5610866)

I *finally* got Redhat 8.0 installed on my 4XPPro Proliant server! If you get any of this "old" hardware and unless you are Linus, I would suggest going straight for the full distribution on CD and don't bother with the bootnet.img method as plenty of the images out there are bad and it won't work when you find a good one anyway.

Next step, reinstall after figuring out how a previous Redhat install attempt (top suspect) has messed up the BIOS recognition of 3 processors, then actually turining this thing into a postgreSQL server (sorry MySQL folks, I only use real databases ;-).

THEN I need to make a boot disk for the 2XPPro ProLiant that will be the web and mail server. It will run FreeBSD, Apache 2.0 and Qmail, but need to get an OS on the thing to go fetch some FreeBSD and it has no CD-ROM.

Ugh, after not really touching any servers over the past four or five years, this is a real mind opener. Unfortunately, the novicane pours in faster the more my mind opens!

Re:On an unrelated note . . . (1)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 11 years ago | (#5610956)

I've got this Dual AMD (2x Athlon MP2400) here I'm going to use as my desktop machine. I wanted to go over to Linux or FreeBSD but *neither* of those detect the second CPU. (Distribution of Linux was Slackware 8.0)
I thought FreeBSD would be better, but I don't know how to see if it found both. I thought top would report it, but alas no second CPU.
Windows 2000 is happly using both, calculating a seti@home packet in about 4 hours and a 15 minutes.
Any idea what I do wrong with Linux/FreeBSD?

Oh, and I wish I could find a PPro Dual motherboard. I have two PPro200 chips lying around and a ATX case.

Re:On an unrelated note . . . (1)

(H)elix1 (231155) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611012)

RedHat 8 nailed it... I have an nvidia card in mine, and I horked things up by using the single processor kernel thing the first time.

Re:On an unrelated note . . . (1)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611052)

A that could explain. I have an NVidia card myself. I'll look into that. Thx.

Re:On an unrelated note . . . (1)

GMontag (42283) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611046)

Neither of those OSs automatically detect multi-processors, so you have to go out and find what needs to be tweeked (unless you already did that). I also read someplace that AMD SMP support is some kind of odd thingie that Intel SMP is easier to code or something way above my head.

I got these servers on eBay for $99 each plus shipping. One is a Proliant 5000R and the other is an 850R. Saw some motherboards there too, so just search for them.

Re:On an unrelated note . . . (1)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611085)

Didn't tweak a thing yet. I barely started to use it (even if I had it for over a month by now). I'll surely find out...

eBay doesn't work well if you're in Europe. Most of this stuff only ships to the US :-((

Re:On an unrelated note . . . (1)

GMontag (42283) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611461) had a ProLiant 4500R (I think), "new", for the longest time for $275 US or so, the whole computer but no drives, not sure on RAM

Re:On an unrelated note . . . (1)

bofkentucky (555107) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611114)

FreeBSD 5? 4's SMP support is shoddy, don't know about Linux SMP. Have you tried Solaris x86?

Re:On an unrelated note . . . (1)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611234)

Yes, it was FreeBSD 5. I downloaded it specifically for that purpose. I have a Tyan Tiger MPX 2466N motherboard. Perhaps it's just not yet supported (which is odd, because it's not the most recent board)
Didn't try Solaris x86. Gotta pay for that one, right? I'm low on cash for the moment.

Re:On an unrelated note . . . (1)

AnimeFreak (223792) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611700)

Solaris 8 X86 is free, 9 isn't

You should be able to get the X86 CD disc images off Sun's website or at least some UNIX archive.

Rhetoric (1)

daeley (126313) | more than 11 years ago | (#5610913)

Dang, Josh, pick your fallacy [] . Start with this one [] . ;)

people stuck in mindset... (2, Insightful)

jeffy124 (453342) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611035)

...of 5 years ago is the problem. Win2K/XP are leaps and bounds better and more stable than the Win9x line, which is where a lot of the anti-Windows crap is based upon.

My Win2K box has never crashed, and the only time i've ever had to shut it down are when I'm not gonna be home for a few days, like the trip to Richmond a few weeks back and tomorrow when I fly to Boston. Same goes for my Linux box!

But before I was using Win2k, Win98 required reboots every few days, as the clock would lose time and run continually slower. Never had such experiences with Win2k.

Re:people stuck in mindset... (1)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611110)

Switch your network card and your SCSI card. I did that. Just switching the PCI cards. BSOD in W2K. Why? Beyond me... but it happened.
Linux just shrugged and booted up....

I do realise that 9x systems were crap. I haven't used them in 4 years, and I don't even consider installing them on any of my machines.

Re:people stuck in mindset... (1)

insanecarbonbasedlif (623558) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611287)

Then try switching your video card - bam! linux hangs on boot, have to go into failsafe mode and reconfigure... Windows 2K just said "Detecting new hardware" and went merrily on.
One situation does not an absolute rule create...

Re:people stuck in mindset... (1)

Com2Kid (142006) | more than 11 years ago | (#5625522)

  • My Win2K box has never crashed

I have had my Win2K box crash 5 or 6 times a day.

Hell there are a number of applications I can run which are guarnteed to crash it almost every time I run them.

On the flip side it IS a ton more stable then Windows9x. Unpatched Win2K sucks though, just moving my mouse around too fast for too long a period of time BSODs it. . . .

Actualy, that occasionaly STILL causes a hard lock. *sigh*

Re:people stuck in mindset... (1)

Ashran (107876) | more than 11 years ago | (#5664933)

Try tweaking your Win2k system as you tweak your linux system.
in 2.5 years of using Win2k and then WinXP my system (used atleast 8 hours a day, 5 days a week) only crashed once .. because I tried overclock it.
It crashed - i clocked it back down to normal and it never ever crashed again. No lockup, no reboot.

Maybe you've got buggy hardware? Ever considered this? I always carefully select my hardware.

Thats it!!! (1)

MagnetarJones (447059) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611589)

I am going to unfriend you for spewing such UNTRUTH's - Good bye foul, foul untruth spewer!!

Because you aren't 733+ (1)

gmhowell (26755) | more than 11 years ago | (#5611680)

You are getting good uptime on XP because you aren't 733+ enough. Play some zero day warez (or just buy them on release day like I do:) and you'll get plenty of crashes, hangs, etc.

Re:Because you aren't 733+ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5611868)

I miss the days when I had to break laws to get software for free *sniff* *sniff*

But seriously, comparing the uptime of one of the more trafficed sites on the web with the uptime of Josh's XP box... Apples and Oranges. And I don't know whats wrong with his SuSe box, but I admin debian servers that have 6mo+ uptime. It would be more if I weren't in the habit of keeping the kernel semi-current. Honestly, I don't think I've ever had a production linux server crash.

I don't know what slashdot's problem is, but I did get an Apache internal server error today where the front page should have been. But goes down too, its a reality of running a mega-traffic site I guess.

And, josh, remember: You're XP box only even boots up because someone hasn't sent you an email or url with a exploit in it yet. Theres at least 10 known unpatched ones to choose from most of the time. Windows users live at the mercy of script kiddies with cut and paste hacks; and slashdot goes down sometimes. You can take your pick, but I choose linux.

Yes. (2, Interesting)

Squidgee (565373) | more than 11 years ago | (#5626211)

Thank goodness. I was hoping someone would mention this.

And, so ye all know, Linux _can_ be quite unstable. So can WinXP, of course, but I am the king of getting any and every computer to crash, regardless of OS.

Which is, of course, why I'm still very much amazed with Mac OS X. Been 6 months and still no crashes; I got WinXP to bluescreen a few times within the first month (I told you I'm the king of getting computers to crash).

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