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21st Century survivalism

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) writes | about 2 years ago

User Journal 12

Given the current use of drones by the American government, and the strong possibility that no matter who wins in November, sometime in the next 20 years we WILL face a situation where the American President feels the need to use drones to defend the rich against the poor (which group of poor, of course, depends on the political party in power at the time, we were never at war with Eurasia, we are now at war with Eastasia), it's time to start thinking about an adequate defense mechanism that

Given the current use of drones by the American government, and the strong possibility that no matter who wins in November, sometime in the next 20 years we WILL face a situation where the American President feels the need to use drones to defend the rich against the poor (which group of poor, of course, depends on the political party in power at the time, we were never at war with Eurasia, we are now at war with Eastasia), it's time to start thinking about an adequate defense mechanism that everybody can afford.

And I think I know what it is, taking a play out of the book of Winston Churchill, scaled down to the modern drone/rc toy:
 
Mylar balloons, filled with hydrogen cracked out of water with solar power, tethered to the ground with 30,000 foot reels of 2-lb test monofiliment line.
 
Create a wide enough perimeter around your town/commune/church/union hall (once again, the target depends upon who is in power at the time) and you won't have to worry about the Drone Wars. Or those pesky passenger jets either.

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High Altitude Firebombing. (1)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about 2 years ago | (#41610453)

I love that you actually pursue the implications of our current techo-oligarchy.

But I think - if there were real opposition - they'd be ready to make Indianapolis or Stockton into Nurnburg and Dresden.

Re:High Altitude Firebombing. (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about 2 years ago | (#41610937)

If there's real opposition, they'll do to Indianapolis or Stockton what they did to Charleston and Atlanta. Branch Davidians was a dry run. Killing our own is a national pastime.

There'll be none of them left to protect, ... (1)

Bill Dog (726542) | about 2 years ago | (#41628203)

...is how one theory goes. The rich will have moved out of the U.S. by then. My sister and her husband are already making plans. She thinks eventually the govt. will start directly raiding the bank accounts of the people.

Re:There'll be none of them left to protect, ... (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | about 2 years ago | (#41634259)

I thought they were already. Of course- it's their money, not ours. Americans haven't really been allowed to OWN money since the federal government exercised their monopoly over money creation in 1873.

I suspect if the rich start leaving in large numbers, we'll just bring back the Sedition Acts to wipe out their fortunes and ability to do business in America as they go. But of course, by that time, I don't know why they'd want American consumers anyway, none of us will have enough currency to buy anything.

Re:There'll be none of them left to protect, ... (1)

Bill Dog (726542) | about 2 years ago | (#41640257)

I think the idea is that they'll have already liquidated businesses and property and moved the bulk of their fortunes off-shore. That's why my sis is looking into this now. Apparently she's already got wind of a few prospective countries where she says the rule of law still applies and they'll let you in and be a citizen if have money and invest in a business or property there. Despite being a big proponent of lots of social safety netting, I suppose this means going to places largely without them, and hence having to endure the mental hit to her convictions.

p.s. BTW, congrats on being the last interesting person on Slashdot.

Re:There'll be none of them left to protect, ... (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | about 2 years ago | (#41658611)

I think she'll find most of those countries to be a bit bait-and-switch on the law and order stuff. They look lawful and orderly- but bringing in money for investment in exchange for citizenship is just the start. Most of those countries, the best way to deal with a traffic ticket is to have a large enough amount of currency in your wallet to supplement the income of the guy who stopped you.

Re:There'll be none of them left to protect, ... (1)

Bill Dog (726542) | about 2 years ago | (#41665703)

But then at least with money you'll be left alone; give each agent of the govt. you come across a small bribe, and they go away happy and don't enforce the laws that might be designed to take even more. If the Left in America ever finally decides to just confiscate everyone's wealth outright, good luck paying off an IRS agent for a fraction of the amount of the bill. Easier to deal with ad hoc corruption than organized corruption.

Re:There'll be none of them left to protect, ... (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | about 2 years ago | (#41671443)

Most of the time, business people find the bribes in such countries to cost far more than the laws ever could. Small bribes can nickle and dime you to death- especially when everybody from the neighborhood beat cop on up to the El Presidente for Life wants a cut of your action.

The official tax rate in Ghana, one of my fellow Knights new to the United States tells me, is .03%. The actual tax rate is close to 90% when you take bribes and inflation into account. He very nearly got himself in trouble trying to buy his way out of a traffic ticket before we stopped him. Different culture entirely.

one more thing (1)

Bill Dog (726542) | about 2 years ago | (#41644385)

BTW, I've just been parroting here the outlook of my sister and presumably her crowd of friends, because I think it's an interesting one. But I can find something interesting without believing in it myself. I don't believe the our govt. will ever (or at least in our lifetimes) be that overt in how it goes about wealth confiscation, simply because it doesn't need to. Clearly most people aren't mad about the govt. printing money or running up more debt, so it can continue to take from us by devaluing our current savings and putting us on the hook for even more of that in the future.

I.e. like with the housing bubble, just deal in financial chicanery that's above most peoples' ability or gumption to understand, and TPTB'll be able to get away with murder and get far into it before it culminates in the inevitable crisis that finally registers with the people, albeit with them still baffled why.

Anyhoo, I also wanted to add the idea, from my brain, to note that 1) the rich include doctors and 2) the exodus of the rich from America will not just be over taxation but also medical care. With the govt. rationing care to control the overall cost to the collective, and doing so by 1) telling doctors what they can and can't prescribe and 2) limiting what they get paid to even follow these instructions, doctors will escape to anywhere freedom still survives, and the rich will follow them.

As Obamacare goes more into effect during his 2nd term, I'd place it about within Hillary's 2nd term where the doctor shortage becomes so evident that she'll create the federal Department of Medicine which will take control over all doctor training for the nation and heavily subsidize it so just about anyone can get in and set the curriculum to include only those cheaper procedures that the govt. allows, and when and in what strict set of circumstances. This will be touted as being for the greater good of the nation, and be hailed as a tremendous achievement for its handling of the (govt.-created) crisis with a (govt.-created) forward-thinking solution.

Re:one more thing (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | about 2 years ago | (#41658681)

I'd love to find a doctor dedicated enough to the ideals of his practice that he's willing to deal in BARTER rather than in INSURANCE.

What gets me most about Obamacare is that the solution of community-owned healthcare (where the shareholders in the doctor's practice are the patients, and they cut out the middle man of insurance entirely) wasn't even CONSIDERED.

Re:one more thing (2)

Bill Dog (726542) | about 2 years ago | (#41665939)

You're in luck; apparently some new law went into effect this year in your state [usatoday.com] and some doctors are switching to a monthly subscription model for basic health care.

When I think about it, people just a few generations ago didn't have a lot our amazing health care technology, that we pay a lot of money for (for insurance to put expensive things within our reach if need be) to have access to. But do we really *need* it? Why should I be able to marshal the resources of thousands of people to just give me another year or two of life. If you get some rare killer disease, well, 100 years ago your butt was toast and sucks to be unlucky. I don't see anything "wrong" with that kind of world.

Really only the rich should have access to the finer things in life, including the upper plateau of health care technology and expertise. For everyone else, we should live according to how we're fated to and buy our $60/month subscription to a doctor that we can keep even if we change or lose a job, and maybe at most take out a 2nd on the house not to buy cars or to have humongous Sub-Zero refrigerators in remodeled restaurant-like kitchens but to purchase a small catastrophic policy, say $50K to get one family member thru a bad car accident say.

It's not how long you live, it's how you choose to live it. This world teaches us to live for this life. It's off-track.

And apparently if you're rich enough (like can pay $2K/month (presumably per person)) you can get the shareholders in a doctor's practice model of medicine too. Old rich people in Florida are apparently fed up with the middleman federal govt. (i.e. Medicare) paying for less and less care and are investing in these so-called concierge doctors to get the treatment that their level of wealth should afford.

But as we know, these models are all still private sector, for-profit, and decentralized. And that's three strikes against them to Progressives.

Re:one more thing (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | about 2 years ago | (#41671015)

WOW! I completely missed that. I need to talk to my doctor about that one. We all use the same clinic anyway; and we rarely use hospitals.

THANK YOU!!!!!

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