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The Political Compass is a steaming crock

smitty_one_each (243267) writes | about a year and a half ago

User Journal 30

For one example of a loaded question from TPC:

Because corporations cannot be trusted to voluntarily protect the environment, they require regulation.

For one example of a loaded question from TPC:

Because corporations cannot be trusted to voluntarily protect the environment, they require regulation.

Evil. Corporations. Are. Evil.
Right. I hail from Western Oregon, which has been thoroughly denuded and rendered a blighted wasteland by Weyerhauser.
NOT! Corporations tend to grasp their symbiotic relationship with the market.
They can tend toward monopoly, and there is a reasonable regulatory role for government.
Just keep in mind that government, itself, is the ultimate monopoly.

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30 comments

Which is why (1)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about a year and a half ago | (#41810689)

In "advanced market economies" the Government has been captured by corporations seeking to leverage that monopoly power. Hence? The Heritage Foundation.

Romney was the bitch they rode into Mass., for their HealthCorp monopoly. Obama is the bitch they rode to take it out of a single, state-sized pilot.

It AIN'T "Socialism" if you are forced to pay a privately-owned corporation - even by Gov mandate.

But Mussolini would have really dug it.

Re:Which is why (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about a year and a half ago | (#41813095)

Which is why the Tea Party pressure has got to be kept up.

Dead Center, Slightly High (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | about a year and a half ago | (#41811531)

I've long rated Dead Center on their test, slightly high. But note that NONE of the politicos at your link are anywhere near center.

Re:Dead Center, Slightly High (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about a year and a half ago | (#41813107)

I got too pissed off at the questions. It's all subliminal Postmodernism.

Re:Dead Center, Slightly High (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | about a year and a half ago | (#41818227)

Of course it is, it's based on Americanism.

Re:Dead Center, Slightly High (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about a year and a half ago | (#41818669)

Liberty is not a Postmodern notion.
Liberty is essentially Christian, whereas Postmodernism was born in Hell, with the Devil for a father.

Re:Dead Center, Slightly High (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | about a year and a half ago | (#41818903)

Liberty changed with the heresy of Americanism. Authentic liberty is the right to do what is moral. Americanist postmodern liberty is mere hedonism rewritten- the right to do whatever one wants regardless of who it hurts.

Re:Dead Center, Slightly High (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about a year and a half ago | (#41820423)

Americanist postmodern liberty is mere hedonism rewritten

In a word, 'infantilism'.

I figured you would find a way (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about a year and a half ago | (#41811639)

All it asks is if you agree or disagree. I don't say corporations are evil. I'm telling you the authority is evil. And people with authority cannot be trusted to voluntarily regulate themselves. So it must be removed and dissolved. You still erroneously distinguish the corporation from the government. A government exists because the people with the resources to create one allows it to. The government is their private security guard. It is not the ultimate monopoly by any means. Otherwise, in the middle east, for example, they wouldn't come and go so quickly. It was corporate money and weapons that funded and enabled the take downs. They will do the same thing to the US if it becomes too hostile towards them, and I'll buy you the cuppa if you can prove me wrong. They will foment discontent and 'revolution' to create a more friendly atmosphere. Whatever you may think about TPC, its descriptions are far more accurate than your FOX network, or Jonas What's-his-name. You just don't like seeing a less distorted (notice I didn't say 'undistorted') picture of who and what you advocate. It shows you're not the 'libertarian' you like to think you are. It disturbs your preconceptions. So I fully expect you to consider it to be hogwash to further fortify them, just as all the studies have shown what happens when one's beliefs are challenged.

By the way, what was your score? :-)

Re:I figured you would find a way (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about a year and a half ago | (#41813121)

You still erroneously distinguish the corporation from the government.

Private property--does it exist?

And no, I didn't finish the quiz. I hated every question for the cheap farce it was. I could have written this JE against virtually any one of them.

Re:I figured you would find a way (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about a year and a half ago | (#41813265)

The right to common resources - do they exist? You have an exclusive right to the physical things you, yourself produce and possess.

Cheap farce = a little too revealing for your tastes. I'm sure you can write volumes against such a thing...

About seven or eight years ago somebody made a graph of slashdotters (teh circle, as it were) who did the quiz. I could swear your name was there. Maybe a ghost from the distant past can dig it up.

Re:I figured you would find a way (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about a year and a half ago | (#41817477)

The right to common resources - do they exist? You have an exclusive right to the physical things you, yourself produce and possess.

Oh come on: "You didn't build that."
Even the things you think you possess were obtained by some act of 'theft' to which you were not privy, carried out by ancestors of whom you know not.
Just lay back and enjoy being buried by the Bulldozer of Guilt.

Re:I figured you would find a way (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about a year and a half ago | (#41817753)

You can't 'steal' from the dead, only from their living descendants. There is no sensible argument against the rights of access to clean air and water and land. That requires the twisted political mind of those who wish to subjugate others.

Re:I figured you would find a way (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about a year and a half ago | (#41817883)

There is no sensible argument against the rights of access to clean air and water and land.

Thus we start with a reasonable proposition. Where does it go from there?
A bureaucracy is born, and the notion or 'rights' gets expanded and extended, such that people can't put in an airport [theothermccain.com] , because it involves moving some coal, and that triggers a bureaucratic avalanche.
When the means becomes an end unto itself, no good can come of it.

slightly embarrassed (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about a year and a half ago | (#41812479)

I'd rather not share my score, but I'll say this much:

Fidel Castro refers to me as "that freaking far-Left kook".

Re:slightly embarrassed (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about a year and a half ago | (#41813129)

Liberty. Does it appear to be a child-like, Edenic existence to you?

Re:slightly embarrassed (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about a year and a half ago | (#41817211)

Liberty. Does it appear to be a child-like, Edenic existence to you?

For the Right circa 2012, "freedom" is just another word for nothing left for other people to lose.

Re:slightly embarrassed (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about a year and a half ago | (#41817651)

Yet this will not dissuade the Left from taxing them, and future generations, to keep that Edenic train chugging. For the moment.

Re:slightly embarrassed (1)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | about a year and a half ago | (#41827063)

Here's mine:

Economic Left/Right: -7.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.56

I've been known to characterise myself as "slightly to the right of Leon Trotsky", so no surprises here.

According to TPC, though, I'm keeping company with the likes of M Gandhi. Could be worse.

I remember passing those out in '88 (1)

Arker (91948) | about a year and a half ago | (#41813691)

And yeah the questions suck, but then again, it's actually really hard to come up with something inside of the same time and space that doesnt suck more.

That question, to me, is a pretty solid yes. That doesnt mean that by 'regulation' I mean what a lot of people would today though. I mean effective prohibition of fraud and force - not regulatory capture.

Re:I remember passing those out in '88 (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about a year and a half ago | (#41817681)

We're past regulatory capture, approaching legislative capsizing. By which I mean that every additional page of legislation is another gun on the Vasa [wikipedia.org] .

The Wasa! (1)

Arker (91948) | about a year and a half ago | (#41820111)

I have actually walked that ship from end to end, it's quite the shrine to the Swedish ideal of lagomhet, which might be loosely translated 'right-sizeness' or even 'moderation' though in it's worst applications it can become more like mediocraty.

Re:The Wasa! (1)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | about a year and a half ago | (#41827091)

I have actually walked that ship from end to end...

So have I. Several times. Most recently about 2 weeks ago. (I live in Stockholm, BTW.)

...it's quite the shrine to the Swedish ideal of lagomhet...

Huh? Vasa capsized on her maiden voyage because she was too damned top-heavy. What's that got to do with being lagom?

Re:The Wasa! (1)

Arker (91948) | about a year and a half ago | (#41827543)

(I live in Stockholm, BTW.)

Congratulations, nice place, the only major city I would consider living in. I spent 3 years based in Uppsala, close enough to spend a lot of time in Stockholm.

Huh? Vasa capsized on her maiden voyage because she was too damned top-heavy. What's that got to do with being lagom?

It's the always needed bad example. The Wasa was extremely olagom, and the entire exhibit seemed pretty well focused on pointing that out (and thus justifying current sensibilities which would have rejected such a monstrous design from the start.) No?

It's a test, Leon (1)

Qzukk (229616) | about a year and a half ago | (#41816847)

and if your reaction to the question is to shoot the examiner, you just might be a replicant.

Re:It's a test, Leon (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about a year and a half ago | (#41817689)

And that is why I went back and completed it.

Left, Right, Top, Bottom (1)

NonSequor (230139) | about a year and a half ago | (#41824041)

All are useless. They all represent futile attempts to preserve at all costs things that can't be preserved.

Re:Left, Right, Top, Bottom (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about a year and a half ago | (#41824673)

This un-preservability: can it be preserved?

Re:Left, Right, Top, Bottom (1)

NonSequor (230139) | about a year and a half ago | (#41828663)

That's the same as asking if you can preserve the inevitability of error and death.

What you can do is trade one kind of error for another or use up one thing to temporarily save another. That's all you're ever doing in life. We end up arguing with each other over what we should and shouldn't use up and what we should try to save. Lots of people respond to this by picking a few things to try to hold on to and damning the rest. I don't mind picking a few things to try to protect, it's the "damn the rest" part that bugs me.

Re:Left, Right, Top, Bottom (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about a year and a half ago | (#41854599)

. . .it's the "damn the rest" part that bugs me.
In what larger context is this troubling?
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