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16 comments

Same site, different article (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about a year and a half ago | (#41847209)

This is for the assholes who keep on insisting that we vote for the 'lesser evil' (there's a few of them out in genpop, also):

...Voting Republican is out of the question, that's like chickens lining up for Popeye's. If you believe that your vote IS your voice, voting for Democrats who murder civilians, who allow the banks to plunder the economy, who won't address unemployment and want to privatize education and everything in sight is a similar kind of volunteered slavery.

All the talk about "strategic voting" and "safe states" is, for black people, subtrefuge to justify the irrationality, the foolishness of casting your own vote against your own survival. If our votes are our voices, it's time to use those for our own good.

For my own part, I will be voting for Jill Stein, the Green Party's candidate, and Cheri Honkala. These are people unafraid to declare the drug war must be ended, and a WPA-style Green Jobs -Green New Deal program initiated, that we have to bring the troops home and cease supporting apartheid Israel. Stein and Honkala are white, of course. But their politics, by the measure of Martin Luther King at least, are blacker than Barack Obama's have ever been.

The object of present day black politics is preserving their perks and positions as "representatives" of the rest of us, while offering their services as black meat puppets for Wall Street, for privatizers, for Big Ag, Big Oil, Big Real Estate, military contractors and the rest. - emphasis mine

Personally, I'm very impressed with the bosses' ability to keep everything so evenly divided, so that no one side gains too much advantage and becomes a fixed target. It's like how the US played the Iran/Iraq war, feeding both sides to ensure that nobody actually dominates and ends the war too quickly. That would be bad for business.

Re:Same site, different article (1)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about a year and a half ago | (#41848263)

"Say it loud.. "

At least, while it still means anything at all.

Re:Same site, different article (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about a year and a half ago | (#41849535)

Nah, they don't speak the language...

Re:Same site, different article (1)

Captain Splendid (673276) | about a year and a half ago | (#41858855)

This is for the assholes who keep on insisting that we vote for the 'lesser evil'

A wonderful sentiment. But useless until you can come up with practical alternatives. Meanwhile, enjoy the government you so richly deserve.

Re:Same site, different article (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about a year and a half ago | (#41859523)

The practical alternative to vote for the alternatives that are 'hidden' in plain sight on the damn ballot. I do not understand the difficulty.* The people who vote for the 'lesser evil' do get the government they deserve, but what about the rest of us who actually stand up? Should we lose our basic rights because they can vote them away? It only points to a fatal flaw of majority rule.

*I do, but it's not a political thing. It's a pathological illness of the human psyche. Recognition of that just puts me even farther out into the fringes, because it is outside the narrative of their mental box. Those people know who I'm talking about, and they are the prime examples of what I am talking about.

Re:Same site, different article (1)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about a year and a half ago | (#41860433)

In the Soviets, people complained, because there was only one choice on the ballot.

In the "west" they are complacent, because there are two...

Re:Same site, different article (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about a year and a half ago | (#41860865)

One martini isn't enough
Two martinis is too many
Three martinis isn't enough

Re:Same site, different article (1)

Captain Splendid (673276) | about a year and a half ago | (#41872317)

Should we lose our basic rights because they can vote them away? It only points to a fatal flaw of majority rule.

That's how non-Proportional Representative democracy works. Instead of complaining, work on the upgrade.

Re:Same site, different article (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about a year and a half ago | (#41872721)

We are the 'system', and it is working as designed. The only real workable upgrade is the dissolution of authority, but most people don't find that very palatable. They would have to give up their authority over their own personal little fiefdoms that they want to expand into others. It's the proverbial monkey trap. My whole point has always been that we built the cage we live in. I prefer not to be locked up in somebody else's. It's not really a complaint as much as it is an observation, shared by very few others. What I ask for is something that everybody will tell me is impossible. That's only true because they make it so. The truth of it is that we are biologically hardwired to dominate, so maybe they're right, but it doesn't invalidate my observations.

Re:Same site, different article (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about a year and a half ago | (#41873139)

I beg your pardon for getting so far offtopic. If I was complaining, it's more about the idiots who expect me to play along with this 'lesser evil' BS and try to tell me that a vote against Obama is a vote for Romney, or that voting for Nader was a vote for Bush. Fuck all that. Let them go yell at the people who are voting for Romney, and quit trying to lay the guilt trip on me. I believe, if I am not mistaken, that is the point of this JE. I will vote for my favorite candidate with a clear conscious, and I'll just have to roll with the punches, and they can do the same damn thing. For me to do otherwise, just to be on the winning side, only gives others more reason to say that I'm part of the problem.

Re:Same site, different article (1)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about a year and a half ago | (#41860403)

You'll get fucked, with the same corporate spike up your arse, Obomba or Romeney.

Different rhetoric for the unwanted and unneeded "reforms" to the social programs you already paid for. Different prejudices to confiscate your labor and property in service of large multinationals.

But the same shit. Romneycare of Mass is Obamacare of USA. And there's only false rhetoric as falls between them.

"Black America" (1)

mcgrew (92797) | about a year and a half ago | (#41851883)

There is no black America. There is rich America and poor America. Race is a tool of the rich to keep the poor at each others' throats so they don't threaten the real force that keeps them down.

Re:"Black America" (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about a year and a half ago | (#41854801)

What are "rich" and "poor" but class warfare tools, along with race?
Give me liberty, and equality of opportunity, and the necessary, enumerated, limited government to protect liberty and opportunity.
The poor people are not "at each others' throats". Nice myth.

Re:"Black America" (1)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about a year and a half ago | (#41860335)

But there was. :-)

There were cultural distinctions that were meaningful - yet broadly inclusive. These have been reduced to a branch of consumer options, like most things. The "urban" market.

But the great human and civil rights expansion from grassroots grew from the black American community - and had roots in its church, the sabotage of its earlier viable economic segment (Harlem 1890-1929) and the traditions from struggle by Plessy, DuBois, Dredd-Scott, etc.

There was non-black basis, Debs and more... But, man. Don't take away the cultural value. Whities would have a damn sad life without that reality.

Re:"Black America" (1)

mcgrew (92797) | about a year and a half ago | (#41891971)

Was, not is. These days "urban culture" has been replaced by ghetto/prison culture. Poor whites and poor blacks are pretty much alike these days.

Re:"Black America" (1)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about a year and a half ago | (#41892695)

I'd mostly agree. Certainly where you are localised.

But the proportions are not equal - per capita or in toto.

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