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NUMBER ONE - WITH A BULLET!

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) writes | about a year and a half ago

United States 9

The first Nobel Peace Prize winner with a kill list.

The first Nobel Peace Prize winner with a kill list.

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Far from it... (1)

metlin (258108) | about a year and a half ago | (#42698723)

...unless we're talking about Yasser Arafat here, who was a bloody terrorist, for crying out loud.

Re:Far from it... (1)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | about a year and a half ago | (#42699241)

So was Menahem Begin. So were the French Underground in WWII.

I'm sorry... What was your point again?

Re:Far from it... (1)

metlin (258108) | about a year and a half ago | (#42700683)

Winning the peace prize is not the same as being a pacifist. Peace is not the same as non-violence, even though the ultimate goal of peace is the end of violent conflict. Semantic distinction, but an important one. Peace is a process, and one aimed at ending violent conflict (sometimes through violent means, unfortunately). It need not equal living happily together, holding hands, and looking at the sunset -- it can sometimes mean a bitter divorce where you just never want to see the other side again.

Several factors, including balance of power, security dilemmas, military tilts, unilateralism vs. multilateralism, institutional standing come into play. Sometimes, it's just a gesture for ending unilateral hawkish policies; sometimes it's an incentive to stop aggression.

Re:Far from it... (1)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | about a year and a half ago | (#42702059)

Oh, dear... That whooshing sound some of you may have just heard was the Peace Prize reference zipping right by me.

Re:Far from it... (1)

metlin (258108) | about a year and a half ago | (#42703109)

You're missing my point: I meant to say that Obama is neither the first nor the last guy to have won the Nobel peace prize and has resorted to military means. The expectation that the leader of essentially a global hegemon should not maintain a list of those entities and individuals detrimental to the state is silly and quite unrealistic. There will always be people wanting to fight any country or idea, and someone has to make the tough choices as to who those may be. It is inevitable, and that is why we even have an Executive.

Re:Far from it... (1)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | about a year and a half ago | (#42704501)

No, I got your point exactly, and completely agreed with it, once I realised that the commonality you were talking about was the Peace Prize, okay?

Re:Far from it... (1)

metlin (258108) | about a year and a half ago | (#42705819)

Ahh, my bad then. :)

Re:Far from it... (1)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | about a year and a half ago | (#42706383)

Heh. :)

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