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Philosophical: People only do for themselves.

Chacham (981) writes | more than 11 years ago

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There is a standard remark that just about anyone starting their philosophical journey realizes. And that is that everything anyone does is only for themselves. I've gotten a little but strong opposition to this. But they were always based on emotion, not logic. As such, the statement can be qualified that emotionally they may be doing it not for themselves. Although, ultimately, it is for themselves.

There is a standard remark that just about anyone starting their philosophical journey realizes. And that is that everything anyone does is only for themselves. I've gotten a little but strong opposition to this. But they were always based on emotion, not logic. As such, the statement can be qualified that emotionally they may be doing it not for themselves. Although, ultimately, it is for themselves.

A person only does that which they decide to do. There are three cases where a person does not, but they are easily explained.

1) If someone else moves their body without them doing so.
2) A reflex or unconcious action.
3) A situation where all choices are bad.

The first case the *other* person is doing the action. In the second case, the body is taking the action, not the concious person. In the third case, the person still chooses the better of the two, although regretting the situation, the choice itself is still made without regret.

A person can do a thing for a person. That person can be either oneself, of another. If oneself, it is obviously being done for onesself. When it is for another, it is not as easily seen. So, the reason for doing for others must be explored.

When doing for others, the question is, "why?" It is because the person decided to do it for the other. If based on choice, the person had ultimate control. And this person chose to do it for the other person. Regardless of why the person chose to do it, the person chose it, and then did it. And that means it is done for oneself.

One may retort and say that the choice itself can be for another, and thus the choice itself is not for oneself. The rejoinder would be that the choice is based on liking the other person, or doing for another. If a person decided to do a random act of kindness to a random person, it is being done to satisfy the person's desire to do that. Without the desire, it would not have been done. If asked to do it by another the person will only do it if the person makes a desire to do it first.

Hmm.. I guess it can be said that people only do things to satisfy their own desires. That doesn't sound correct. That needs further thought.

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Recommended reading (1)

Dannon (142147) | more than 11 years ago | (#6028635)

Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand, and the Sword of Truth series by Terry Goodkind. Fair warning though, I think Ayn Rand's the harder to swallow sometimes, and I don't exactly agree with her views regarding sprituality, but she's quite right on many aspects of human nature and economics.

You're quite right, people act only in accordance with their own wills. A true gift is given at the pleasure of the giver, not the recipient.

Unfortunately, some people don't understand what a gift, what a blessing, free will is. In fact, for some reason, some people think it a sin to act in one's own self interest. The lie these people fill their own minds with allows them to commit atrocities and name them virtues, by claiming that it is not for their own sake that they act.

Being yourself is not a sin. Acting in your own rational self interest, ditto. To love your neighbor as yourself... you first have to be able to love yourself.

Re:Recommended reading (1)

Chacham (981) | more than 11 years ago | (#6033518)

Thanx.

Btw, I'm not so much interested in reading as I am in discussing. :)

Coercion (1)

salimma (115327) | more than 11 years ago | (#6030380)

Sometimes someone does something because someone else 'forces' him to do so; i.e. the payoff for him to do as he was told is manipulated so that it is much more desirable than not doing so.

It is always hard to prove such coercion took place, these situations when someone chooses to do something but not based on what would be accepted as free will.

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