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Why I can't be a liberal

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) writes | 1 year,2 days

User Journal 15

Hatred.

A conversation with a much more left wing friend over the weekend made me realize that most of my conservative politics, are not conservatively sourced. They are sourced in my own personal form of liberalism, which is often repelled by the political rhetoric of other liberals.

Gay marriage for instance. I was once, a decade or so ago, for civil unions. I was considered a liberal for being so. I reveled in the fact of being Catholic and how entire grou

Hatred.
 
A conversation with a much more left wing friend over the weekend made me realize that most of my conservative politics, are not conservatively sourced. They are sourced in my own personal form of liberalism, which is often repelled by the political rhetoric of other liberals.
 
Gay marriage for instance. I was once, a decade or so ago, for civil unions. I was considered a liberal for being so. I reveled in the fact of being Catholic and how entire groups of monks were using their own vow of celibacy to volunteer for AIDS research. Then, overnight it seemed, in March 2004 I became a conservative on this subject. I didn't change- but I was now bigoted for actually believing sacramental marriage was still possible and that children raised by their biological parents might actually be the ideal situation. Oh, and of course, for discriminating against gays and not allowing them to get married.
 
Gay marriage doesn't matter to me anymore. After all the attacks and vandalism, I wouldn't vote for those people if they were trying to save baby whales.
 
But back to my own attitudes. Abortion, Divorce, Contraception, Homosexuality, Fractional Reserve Banking, Free Trade, Wage Suppression, euthanasia. I see these all as full of violence and hatred; and against human dignity. But worse than any of them, are the tactics used to shame more normal people into allowing them to continue; the intolerance of the supposedly tolerant. Tolerance is only a virtue if the thing you are being tolerant of is a sin; when that thing ceases to be a sin and becomes instead a model, tolerance quickly turns to enabling and intolerance for those who don't fit that model.

15 comments

Are you for or against being for or against (1)

Kurusuki (1049294) | 1 year,2 days | (#43519991)

Are you saying we need to exterminate homosexuality, divorce, and free trade? I don't understand if you stand for or against the topics you list. You're all over the place without ever actually asserting a concise stance on what you're arguing. "Gay marriage doesn't matter to me anymore. After all the attacks and vandalism, I wouldn't vote for those people if they were trying to save baby whales.", what attacks and vandalism? who wouldn't you vote for? Your frequent use of ambiguous pronouns with little or no context makes me feel you didn't really think through what you wanted to say. Instead, it seems, you simply started ranting without remaining aware of where you are in your own thought process, or to what you were actually trying to say.

Re:Are you for or against being for or against (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | 1 year,2 days | (#43520739)

It is a personal journal entry, and thus, is indeed ranting, though if you went back in my journal you'd be quick to pick up the thread.

Did somebody post my journal to the front page or something?

The thread between all of those topics is the use of personal freedom to harm wider society. In other words, liberalism- the raising of personal liberty above the common good.

Re:Are you for or against being for or against (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | 1 year,2 days | (#43520755)

The gay agenda people. Basic Rights Oregon locally. And the vandalism and attacks I'm talking about are against Catholic Churches. Local news stuff.

What is this? (1)

JustNiz (692889) | 1 year,2 days | (#43520237)

How does this personal rant equate to technical news?

Re:What is this? (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | 1 year,2 days | (#43520719)

It's in a personal journal. Why, did some idiot put this on the front page or something?

Re:What is this? (1)

JustNiz (692889) | 1 year,1 day | (#43526359)

yeah it appeared in the firehose

Re:What is this? (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | 1 year,1 day | (#43526573)

Oh, yeah, personal journals can appear there, and I likely didn't change it. Of course, what is in the firehose rarely shows up on the front page.

Materialism (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | 1 year,1 day | (#43523089)

I see the Left's arguments as an operationalization of LeBon and Alinsky. If we're going to concede our liberty to a pack of pointy-bearded losers in berets (to stereotype them) then they can, have, and will continue to bury that liberty in asinine, anti-common sense legislation.

Re:Materialism (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | 1 year,1 day | (#43525949)

It's not just the arguments of the left. The arguments of the right are equally reprehensible. Both are liberal extremists of the form "I've got mine, fsk you". But what they've got- materialism, either sexual or fiscal- is a poor substitute for humanity.

Re:Materialism (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | 1 year,1 day | (#43526325)

I see the Right's arguments as an operationalization of Scott Lively, Rick Warren [publiceye.org] , and Mussolini. If we're going to concede our liberty to a pack of crazy, fat baldheads then they can, have, and will continue to bury that liberty in good old fashion murder, mayhem, and general destruction...

Loved this line (1)

giverson (532542) | 1 year,1 day | (#43528331)

"Tolerance is only a virtue if the thing you are being tolerant of is a sin; when that thing ceases to be a sin and becomes instead a model, tolerance quickly turns to enabling and intolerance for those who don't fit that model."

This sums up the modern concept of tolerance. Thank you for that.

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