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A serious topic: Why men masturbate.

$$$$$exyGal (638164) writes | more than 11 years ago

User Journal 54

Ok, so I came across this article on Yahoo News, and the obvious conclusion hit me right in the eye. Evolutionarily speaking, men who masturbate have an advantage over men who do not masturbate. The article does not suggest my conclusion, but it seems obvious from the facts given. Here are some facts/quotes given in the article:

  • Men with low sperm counts can si
Ok, so I came across this article on Yahoo News, and the obvious conclusion hit me right in the eye. Evolutionarily speaking, men who masturbate have an advantage over men who do not masturbate. The article does not suggest my conclusion, but it seems obvious from the facts given. Here are some facts/quotes given in the article:
  • Men with low sperm counts can significantly reduce sperm quality by holding back for longer than a day or two.
  • In men with low sperm counts, the researchers found the volume of semen increased after prolonged abstinence, but the quality got gradually worse the longer the men held back.
  • "What you really want to do is flush the system out so that the sperm that are there are fresh."

From which I conclude: Men who masturbate daily will be more fertile than men who do not have any type of daily release. Your male ancestors were likely chronic masturbators.

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Your ancestors are wankers! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6337463)

A simpler explanation:

An orgasm gives male/female a pleasurable experience. Orgasm is brought about by chemicals.
People masturbate because in essence they are addicted to the chemicals and/or the feeling of pleasure.

So not only were your ancestors a bunch of wankers, they were also drug-addicts.

Re:Your ancestors are wankers! (1)

$$$$$exyGal (638164) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337641)

People masturbate because in essence they are addicted to the chemicals and/or the feeling of pleasure.

Yes, that is why you masturbate. But why is it so pleasurable? And how did it get that way? Imagine two groups of men 100,000 years ago:

  1. Men who did not get a pleasurable feeling from masturbating.
  2. Men who did get a pleasurable feeling from masturbating.
The first group of men did not masturbate daily, because it didn't feel good. As a result, their sperm were not as fertile when they did have the chance to have sex. The second group of men masturbated daily, and therefore were more fertile when they did have sex.

After 100's of generations, the first group of men were very slowly eliminated in favor of the second group of men. That's the evolutionary reason why *you* find masturbation an enjoyable experience.

Yes, I realize this scenario is a simplification ;-).

Re:Your ancestors are wankers! (1)

madmarcel (610409) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337971)

<<discards anonymous coward disguise>>

Alternatively...
(Or the shame thing, phrased differently)

A long long time ago....

there were men/women who did not enjoy sex. They were unaffected by the chemical or physical 'high'.
Because there was no 'reward' for sex, there was no drive...no urge...no need to find a mate and reproduce.
Also, no need to masturbate.

Hence, those that did not enjoy sex died out. Evolution. Smiple. The others...welll, we know the result, they all lived happily ever after and had lots of healthy sex.

Why is sex pleasurable? At a guess: Evolution. Might've been a very small feeling of well-being at first, brought about by random chance, growing stronger over time/generations. Those people who had 'better' orgasms/sex were more likely to reproduce.

BTW I think you are confusing cause and effect, the masturbation is a result of the addiction. First comes 'exposure' to the 'reward', then addiction, then masturbation.
(These days we have sexual education&tv, hence kids know what masturbation is BEFORE they've had sexual intercourse...eh...nevermind :)

Women seem to be less affected by the 'addiction' and apparently masturbate less (or so I am told - I have a sneaking suspicion that that is a myth)
I have a theory that this is related to the fact that for men there are less risks associated with sex (i.e. consequences) than there are for women.

Re:Your ancestors are wankers! (2, Insightful)

bethanie (675210) | more than 11 years ago | (#6347017)

$$$$exy --

Hi there. You don't know me, but you just earned another new friend. Congrats on getting out of the pr0n linx biz and into some serious discussion about stuff that MATTERS!!

I don't have an answer about how masturbation got to feeling so good -- I think that the sex felt good (to interest us in procreation) and then some genius found out that s/he could do it to him/herself, and [hu]mankind has never been the same since.

But here's my theory about why men are (ostensibly -- YMMV, to use a gmhowell acro) more prone to masturbation than women, and it comes from knowledge of myself as a woman.

Here goes: Have you ever tracked your cycle/fertility? I mean, taking your basal temperature and monitoring your cervical fluid, and noting things like general arousal level and cravings for certain kinds of foods and the like? Well, in the course of trying to conceive a child, I did/have/do, and it's amazing to notice how much (for lack of a better term) hornier I am during the 5-6 days preceding my ovulation (my fertile stage) than the rest of the month. (I will refrain from commenting on the level of horniness I experience at the rest of the month -- it's nunna yo beezwax, y'all.)

From what I understand, this is not unusual -- it's part of the whole hormonal cycle. And that makes all the sense in the world -- giving women a natural tendency to be in the mood when they're fertile is evolutionarily logical.

NOW, let's talk about men. Men are fertile 100% of the time. That's *every* day. 24/7. Now, I don't know about you, but if I had to deal with the way *I* feel when I'm fertile *all* the time... well, I just don't know what I'd do. Probably check $$$$exygal's JEs more often in hopes of finding fresh material. ;-)

So let's pity the poor boys. They've got a heavy hormonal load (*grin*) to bear. And short of simply making ourselves available each and every day (which has been known to happen... ah, that wonderful summer of 1992... *sigh*), they just cope by taking matters into their own *ahem* hands. I ask you, what more can they do?!

....Bethanie....

Re:Your ancestors are wankers! (1)

SamTheButcher (574069) | more than 11 years ago | (#6352019)

Goddam. Word up, B. :)

And yes, thanks $G for moving into the "matters" realm. More thought provoking is good.

Men too (1)

phorm (591458) | more than 11 years ago | (#6398341)

I've noticed that there are definately periods when I as a male do demonstrate an increase in sexual urge caused by unknown circumstance. Yes, of course I do get the time-to-time urges, but I find that usually at the end of a 1-2 month period (usually 2) there are times when sex becomes not only an urge, but one that supercedes the looks and other "attractive" aspects related to the opposite sex.
As a guy with a lot of female friends, this can be embarrassing - though obviously not uncontrollable (or I'd have a lot less friends). I do try to avoid the bar when I'm in such a state though, as I wouldn't want to wake up on the wrong side of *somebody's* bed. Taking the matters into one's own "hand" doesn't help much either, it's just a let the time slide, usually after 1-2 days.

Yeah, so? (1)

D+iz+a+n+k+Meister (609493) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337485)

Where's the pr0n :-)?

But seriously, does that mean that I can deduct my membership to netvideogirls or whatever for health reasons? Or better yet, charge it to my health insurance because it's, uhh, physical therapy?

I'm gonna go get more fertile right now. . .

Re:Yeah, so? (1)

D+iz+a+n+k+Meister (609493) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337579)

Ahhh, that's better.

But I think my sperm is getting a little stale. . .again.

Time to go flush the system

Re:Yeah, so? (1)

LinuxXPHybrid (648686) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337585)

> I can deduct my membership to netvideogirls or whatever for health reasons? Or better yet, charge it to my health insurance because it's, uhh, physical therapy?

That sounds very interesting; I never thought about that way. You know, every now and then, you find an absurd case in paper like people suing MacDonald for being fat, unhealthy and diabetes. Maybe you should try that, you know? Who knows? You may get tax deduction like you said; I don't want to think about how you are going to prove how COMMITTED you are to the exercise or, what you call, therapy though.

Apart from that.... (1)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337501)

It's fun... Well *that* and it's the next best thing if you don't get any. Which is unfortunately my case. :-(((

And yes, I knew about these points. I have read them some while ago in some scientific magazine, if I recall correctly. I must be extremely fertile because usually it's twice a day. Nothing compares to a good wank in the morning ;-P

Re:Apart from that.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6339213)

Uhhh, you're wrong about that. Sex in the morning is better.

Re:Apart from that.... (1)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 11 years ago | (#6339771)

Most probably... Need a girl for that though, and mostly I don't find any girls in my bed in the morning. As already said: I go with the second best thing due to lack of options.

'the obvious conclusion hit me right in the eye' (1)

MonTemplar (174120) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337622)

*grin*

Huh huh huh, she said, "conclusion" [n/t] (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6337725)

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But... (1)

glenebob (414078) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337802)

Why do women masturbate? Why do you masturbate?

Re:But... (1)

evil_toy_maker (614007) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337819)

Because it feels good and my significant other loves to watch!!! *wicked evil grin*

Re:But... (1)

glenebob (414078) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337821)

Or maybe you're a pervert. Not that that's a bad thing. Like ancestor, like progeny?

Re:But... (1)

evil_toy_maker (614007) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337825)

No...Not PER -vert! I haven't hit 40 YET!
Soo..I guess that makes me a PRE -vert!
*snickers*

Re:But... (1)

glenebob (414078) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337831)

Hmm, I thought maybe you were a PURR-vert. Or is that when you hit 50?

Re:But... (1)

evil_toy_maker (614007) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337832)

MMmmmm...I like that one even better!!... Purrr-Fect! (no pun intended)

Re:But... (1)

Zirnike (640152) | more than 11 years ago | (#6344307)

"Kinky is using a feather. Perverted is using the whole chicken."

Words to live by. Or something.

Or maybe another theory... (1)

glenebob (414078) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337817)

...that explains why *people* masturbate. As if anyone believes it's just us men?

People who like sex were (and still are) more likely to have lots of children. Therefore, the urge to have lots of sex is perpetuated through natural selection, and the lack of sex drive is filtered out. Naturally, people who like sex more also masturbate more. So, *our* ancesters were a bunch of sluts.

Ooo, and look, my theory is less sexist!

Re:Or maybe another theory... (2, Insightful)

Fascist Christ (586624) | more than 11 years ago | (#6338092)

People who like sex were (and still are) more likely to have lots of children ... people who like sex more also masturbate more.

The only problems are when people prefer the masturbation over the sex, or when people lose the incentive to mingle with the opposite gender since they are already satisfied, or when people are gay.

But what about this... (1)

glenebob (414078) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337850)

The article also says this little tidbit:
"In normal men, the study found no change in sperm motility. The percentage of malformed sperm increased only after 11 days, and then only so marginally that it is unclear whether it could affect fertility."
So, normal men weren't chronic masturbaters after all? It was just the guys who wore their loin cloths too tight, with the low sperm counts.

A case of Schrodinger's cat (1)

Some Woman (250267) | more than 11 years ago | (#6338540)

But what about men who never masturbate? We can never know how low the sperm quality can get. Doesn't this bother anyone? Okay, I'm not going to stay up late at night pondering this (that's for other things ;), but still...

Re:A case of Schrodinger's cat (1)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 11 years ago | (#6338946)

For some reason, I just don't think that there are men that don't masturbate. I have never ever met one that didn't admit it after a few beers. Oh, the really shy ones will say that "it's not regular", but I don't believe that.

As far as women are concerned: I'm pretty sure there are chronical masturbators amongst them too. I don't believe any woman that says she never masturbated (So far, all girls I have talked to about this subject have admitted, I'm pretty good at getting people to confess in me *grin*). However, most of them don't want to admit it. I think it's nothing to be ashamed of, but some people just are too ashamed, I guess.

Re:A case of Schrodinger's cat (1)

Elwood P Dowd (16933) | more than 11 years ago | (#6341362)

I believe that some men in some other cultures don't masturbate. I've heard of couples going to therapists in particularly repressed cultures so that they could ASK HOW TO MAKE BABIES.

Re:A case of Schrodinger's cat (1)

evil_toy_maker (614007) | more than 11 years ago | (#6343845)

(So far, all girls I have talked to about this subject have admitted, I'm pretty good at getting people to confess in me *grin*)..

Give me a break, you arragant clod...
I promise you that you could have not said that 20 years ago. Now a days, both men and women are more prone to be "open" about the subject, sex in general.

Re:A case of Schrodinger's cat (1)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 11 years ago | (#6344050)

Well, it really depends on the person. My experience is: be open yourself and people will be open to you. Of course, you have to set the first step.

Thanks for the compliment... I like being seen as arrogant.

Re:A case of Schrodinger's cat (1)

evil_toy_maker (614007) | more than 11 years ago | (#6344574)

Thanks for the compliment... I like being seen as arrogant.

You are most welcome...BUT I think I would rather be seen as "confident" and *not* arragant.

--arrogant : exaggerating or disposed to exaggerate one's own worth or importance in an overbearing manner
--confident : characterized by assurance; full of conviction : CERTAIN

Major difference. *grins*

Re:A case of Schrodinger's cat (1)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 11 years ago | (#6344623)

Oh, it doesn't really matter in the end... as long as I get the raunchy stories of the ladies, I won't complain.

The bad part is that it makes you "best friend", which is usually not bound to get laid by them :-(((

Re:A case of Schrodinger's cat (1)

evil_toy_maker (614007) | more than 11 years ago | (#6344650)

LMAO...you're too funny...
Hating to admit this but I actually like you.

Re:A case of Schrodinger's cat (1)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 11 years ago | (#6344679)

Hating to admit this but I actually like you.

I just hope this doesn't involve any homoerotic fantasies ;-)

Re:A case of Schrodinger's cat (1)

evil_toy_maker (614007) | more than 11 years ago | (#6346316)

Hmmm....Would be fun to have you ponder that I was of the same sex and lead you to believe I was a stalker at that...LOL
but I'm not that mean.
Nice to know you took all the crap I flung your way, in stride. :oP
Have a great day, what's left of it! *smiles*

Re:A case of Schrodinger's cat (1)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 11 years ago | (#6351691)

Would be fun to have you ponder that I was of the same sex and lead you to believe I was a stalker at that..

I never ponder about such things. All people on slashdot are automatically assumed to be males at first contact. Especially very newly created accounts ;-) Besides, it has no worth in stalking me. Finding out who I am, is about as easy as googling around a bit.

Nice to know you took all the crap I flung your way, in stride.

As a slashdot "veteran", I can assure you that slashdot is all about "taking all the crap flung at you".

Re:A case of Schrodinger's cat (1)

evil_toy_maker (614007) | more than 11 years ago | (#6353470)

I never ponder about such things.

Obviously you do...shall I quote you?

I just hope this doesn't involve any homoerotic fantasies ;-)

I see you're still being an arrogant clod!
Enough said. ;-)

Re:A case of Schrodinger's cat (1)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 11 years ago | (#6353573)

That was a (apparently failed) humorous attempt to counter your "Hating to admit this but I actually like you". I even quoted it to make sure there was no confusion possible. Also notice the winking smilie...

So in essence you just like arrogant clods, eh? ;-)

Re:A case of Schrodinger's cat (1)

evil_toy_maker (614007) | more than 11 years ago | (#6353814)

So in essence you just like arrogant clods, eh? ;-)

I guess you can assume that beings that my "very" - significant other is very much of one. *winks*
He never gives me a break (arrogantly, he loves admitting that). Even though he can get under my skin by being too arrogant at times, it's always a great challenge in conversation with him, not to mention, freshing! But for the most part, he's extraordinarily self-confident. That's something I cherish in our day to day life.
Meanwhile...back at the ranch....*chuckles*

Re:A case of Schrodinger's cat (1)

Sux2BU (20893) | more than 11 years ago | (#6360735)

About the best quote I've heard along these lines was from Dr. Joycelyn Elders (Clinton's Surgeon General) at this year's Phi Theta Kappa conference [ptk.org] :

"90% of all men, and 60% of all women masterbate. The rest are lying."

Re:A case of Schrodinger's cat (1)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 11 years ago | (#6362550)

While there are lies, damned lies and statistics... I think that one might be very accurate! :-)

I have one (1)

phorm (591458) | more than 11 years ago | (#6398350)

I have a friend that didn't, but that was purely on the principle that he "liked to be different" and that pretty much was something that most all other guys did.

Pretty different yup, but probably overly frustrating at times.

Now what I'm waiting for on here, is for somebody to explain the causation for fetishes.

Re:A case of Schrodinger's cat (2, Funny)

glenebob (414078) | more than 11 years ago | (#6343059)

Well, just as soon as we find him, we'll be sure to take a sperm count.

Re:A case of Schrodinger's cat (1)

Some Woman (250267) | more than 11 years ago | (#6343365)

But then you'd be perturbing the system and he would no longer be a man who never masturbates. Same problem as the cat- you can never get an accurate measurement.

Re:A case of Schrodinger's cat (1)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 11 years ago | (#6344731)

Easy solution: set up a system that catches his sperm in the vagina of the woman. (A condom would do the trick). Retrieve sperm from recipient, do sperm count.

He didn't masturbate (he fucked, which is a different thing), so essentially, in this system you can actually do a sperm count.

Re:A case of Schrodinger's cat (1)

Tomble (579119) | more than 11 years ago | (#6379724)

You mean you need to know how often Shrodinger's cat masturbates too, now? This discussion is just getting more and more bizarre.

damn, I wish I could find it... (1)

mekkab (133181) | more than 11 years ago | (#6338549)

but there was another study (somewhere, out there, on the internet) that claimed that men with advanced degrees and white men were more prone to masturbating.

I guess all those sickly white PhD's gotta drop a nut somehow!

P.S.- this increased sperm motility thing doesn't explain jack. I'm down with the more ID-based, darwinian explanation- it feels good, so you do it.

So, why did I leave the house today? ;)

Two things: (1)

Elwood P Dowd (16933) | more than 11 years ago | (#6341434)

1)

From which I conclude: Men who masturbate daily will be more fertile than men who do not have any type of daily release. Your male ancestors were likely chronic masturbators.

I can think of other evidence that my male ancestors were likely chronic masturbators. But sure. (Daily? Who only orgasms daily? I feel so sorry for you people.)

2)

This doesn't address women's evolutionary reasons for masturbating. Whatever it is may also exist in men. :., this fertility issue may not be the only reason that men are bred to masturbate.

Like ancestor... (1)

Zirnike (640152) | more than 11 years ago | (#6344348)

like son.

Not much else to say on the topic, I just felt like poking fun at myself. :)

Dad... (1)

RedWizzard (192002) | more than 11 years ago | (#6345377)

Your male ancestors were likely chronic masturbators.
That's a very polite way of saying my Dad's a wanker.

"Surak, here is my true identity once and for all" (-1)

CmderTaco (533794) | more than 11 years ago | (#6347390)

Hi dear $exygirl

I received a notification about a new journal of you, but you erased it! I was so disappointed. What happened? And, I would like to meet you and play with your hair.

An assertion I'm totally pulling out of my rectum: (1)

RLiegh (247921) | more than 11 years ago | (#6349778)

and that is Hormonal Balance. I've known far too many men who've used wanking as a form of 'stress relief'. I can only assume that the reason for this is because when your sperm reaches a critical point, your brain chemistry becomes ever-so-slightly imbalanced and wanking restores it.

This would aid [very minimally, I might add] in survival by a)allowing clearer thinking b)'rewarding' problem solving skills.

Disclaimer, I'm only on my 2nd cup of coffee, so undoubtably this could probably be more clearly stated.

A little English culture... (1)

BigBadBri (595126) | more than 11 years ago | (#6354734)

"I'm Britain's champion wanker
Renowned throughout the land,
Everybody knows my name but
Nobody wants to shake my hand."

Ivor Biggun, the Wankers Song [virgin.net]

An anthem of my teenage years.

The chorus - "I'm a wanker, I'm a wanker, and it does me good like it bloody well should - I'm a wanker, I'm a wanker, and I'm always pulling my pud." was a regular refrain on a Saturday night after a gallon or more of ale and a wretched fumble in the Roxy in Manchester.

Oh, for the 1970s. ;-/>

Hmmm (1)

AdmV0rl0n (98366) | more than 11 years ago | (#6366242)

Well, I read a study that indicated that in London, where you have a high level of women who have reasonable jobs, and a level of independence, were as likely to go out and have a night of sex via the way people do during their ovulation, or just before it.

In addition, they also wore far more revealing clothes during this period, without having an explanation.

Bottom line. Men are horrrrrrrny most of the time. Women are hornnnnny during some parts of the month, but its not uniform. Everyone is different.

You can't by poll come up with what men and women are, at least in terms of being precise. Some men and some women are more horny than others. Some women are horny when others are def not. Some men are not horny when you would think they would be.

I hate this kind of discussion because its about misconceptions, and building stereotypical ideals of what people are, or are not.

SO.. thats mu tuppence.

AdmV0rl0n

Hmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6373065)

...cause they can't get laid. Ya think?
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