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Want Less Government? Champion Order in Religion!

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) writes | about a year ago

User Journal 9

Order is the first need of human beings, the only thing that makes life remotely tolerable. Mankind will give up just about anything to get it- freedom, money, family. Better a slave in Athens than a king in Africa!

What changed all that was religion. Religion is the anti-government. Only a moral people can be ruled with few laws; and now that we've abandoned morality to relativism

Order is the first need of human beings, the only thing that makes life remotely tolerable. Mankind will give up just about anything to get it- freedom, money, family. Better a slave in Athens than a king in Africa!
 
What changed all that was religion. Religion is the anti-government. Only a moral people can be ruled with few laws; and now that we've abandoned morality to relativism, we need to increase the number of laws and number of prisoners to keep order.
 
So true libertarians need to be religious- for only with religion, can there be order without laws and punishment.

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9 comments

And by religion... (1)

ConceptJunkie (24823) | about a year ago | (#43601737)

... you really mean Christianity, which is the basis for the growth and success for Western culture and civilization. Other religions have had some good effects, but none has been so transformative as Christianity.

Re:And by religion... (1)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about a year ago | (#43602457)

Bullshit.

"Western culture" is the root of every major genocide after Genghis Khan - who's wife was a Christian, BTW.

Re:And by religion... (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | about a year ago | (#43605217)

What about the genocide of the Armenians in Turkey?

Re:And by religion... (1)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about a year ago | (#43605397)

It was to "Westernize" Turkey. Don't pull that one.

There were antecedent tensions and ethno / religious strife in the modern period. But it was with the emergence of the Young Turks, in 1908, and successive Ottoman defeats, through teh second Balkans war, that the elements for this genocide were assembled. There were, and have continued to be, as much murder and suppression of Kurds, as of Armenians, under the Young Turks and successive Turk regimes. Somehow, the narrative was never as interesting, Kurds being largely Muslim.

Interesting that the history of Ottoman rule was always one of heterodoxy and ethnic inclusion, prior to "westernization". My Hungarian-derived forebears were identified in Moravia as "Turks", upon arrival in Brno. They were Catholics, and probably from the Jacz region.

Re:And by religion... (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | about a year ago | (#43605447)

Yes, but the Young Turks were, and continue to be, Islamic and thus middle eastern, not western.

Funny though- how suppression of the Kurds is celebrated in Turkey today, but suppression of the Armenians is a huge state secret.

Because, after all, Istanbul is not Constantinople.....

Re:And by religion... (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about a year ago | (#43605783)

every major genocide

Pol Pot? Darfur? Genocides suck, but blaming any culture for fundamental human evil seems kind of agenda-driven. . .

Re:And by religion... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43608383)

I think you've found out that Jeremiah is a nut. He likes to post the host file spam and claim that the Boston bombing never happened.

Re:And by religion... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43616753)

Or at least a pot-stirrer.

Re:And by religion... (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | about a year ago | (#43605205)

Well, for Western culture and civilization, yes. Hinduism, Confucianism, and Buddhism have shown equal success in the East however.

And one can't forget how State Shintoism held Japan together for 500 years.

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