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If You Still Believe You Live in a "Liberal Democracy"?

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) writes | about 10 months ago

Government 34

You're just not as bright as you like to congratulate yourself.

It is very simple. Follow the money. Years ago the wealthy needed a strong middleclass. Henry Ford even commented that a strong middleclass bought the products of the wealthy. But the wealthy no longer make products. Money is earned through money games. And the economy is global.

You're just not as bright as you like to congratulate yourself.

It is very simple. Follow the money. Years ago the wealthy needed a strong middleclass. Henry Ford even commented that a strong middleclass bought the products of the wealthy. But the wealthy no longer make products. Money is earned through money games. And the economy is global.

The goal now is the destruction of the middleclass. Why? So that we'll work for nothing. A sort of coal mining economic theory. Work for nothing and then give what little money you have back when you buy life's necessities at the company store.

As the wealth gets concentrated and the middleclass destroyed there might be some uprisings. The Corporate Government will be able to get the leaders very quickly and thereby diffuse the uprisings literally before they start. Like arresting the persons behind "Occupy Wall Street" before the occupation.

With indefinite detention being the law of the land there will be no need for trials.

And with all that anti terrorism security money going to crowd control weapons like sonic beams that make you burn those crowds that do assemble will be quickly dealt with.

It is always about the money.

Posted by: Ray | Jun 29, 2013 9:27:54 PM

34 comments

It won't always be about the money (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about 10 months ago | (#44172199)

Our cultural combustion can only sustain itself for a finite time. Sweet, sweet Dark Age to come. I guess I'm supposed to be rooting for the Carpenter to return, but I just don't think things have begun to suck on that level.

Re:It won't always be about the money (1)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about 10 months ago | (#44172927)

Well.

Then it won't be money. It will be your actual labor and livelihood, without the convenient medium of exchange - per Western Europe, c. 1100 AD.

Re:It won't always be about the money (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about 10 months ago | (#44174199)

Aye, with the significant difference that there is quite a bit more information about, even in dead tree format.
So, don't expect the crash to last too long, subsequent to the homo bureaucratus purge.

I thought that was always the goal (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | about 10 months ago | (#44175207)

Isn't the entire goal of liberty, libertarian, and liberalism to try to take stuff away from those who can't defend themselves from you?

Re:I thought that was always the goal (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about 10 months ago | (#44177691)

No, that's the goal of our purely animalistic authority. The goal of liberty, libertarian, and liberalism is to allow people to live and die in peace.

Re:I thought that was always the goal (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | about 10 months ago | (#44178303)

Then why insist on liberties that harm others? If the true goal was to allow people to live and die in peace, wouldn't an automated resource delivery system to a civilization of hermits suffice?

Re:I thought that was always the goal (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about 10 months ago | (#44178407)

It would, except that most people are not hermits. Some of us like to be with others and enjoy their company. And we don't don't insist on liberties that harm others. It's the authorities who demand that, for their own personal pleasures.

Re:I thought that was always the goal (1)

mcgrew (92797) | about 10 months ago | (#44178563)

And we don't don't insist on liberties that harm others. It's the authorities who demand that, for their own personal pleasures.

Ron Paul does, when he insists the EPA isn't needed. Before the EPA, Monsanto spewed so much poison that your lungs burned driving past one of theiir factories. Read Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle". The EPA keeps Monsanto from infringing MY right; nobody has the right to foul my air. The FDA keeps people from selling snake oil and rotten meat.

Re:I thought that was always the goal (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about 10 months ago | (#44179463)

Ron Paul is an idiot, in the figurative sense of course, since he's done very well for himself. And I've always maintained that we have our rights to uncontaminated natural resources. With freedom goes respect. The merchant/political class will never understand that. The only necessary step is to revoke their (and everybody else's) privileged status.

Re:I thought that was always the goal (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44180977)

How can you say the goal of liberalism is to let people live and die in peace? But you're so damn intolerable of anyone who disagrees with your narrow world view??? Which, IMO, is naive and totalitarian!

"With Freedom goes respect" - Just pull that out of your bum? Doesn't even make sense. I'll even wager you don't have a clue what Freedom is, and as long as your fed and clothed and complacent, someone will take your freedom and you'd never see it coming.

Ron Paul's not the idiot - you are.

Re:I thought that was always the goal (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about 10 months ago | (#44181261)

But you're so damn intolerable of anyone who disagrees with your narrow world view???

No no, that's not true at all. I have a very 'wide stance'

Re:I thought that was always the goal (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | about 10 months ago | (#44182989)

Not wide enough to include heterosexually monogamous cultures. Not wide enough to include people who don't want their air polluted with pot smoke. Not wide enough to include, well, gee, anybody who disagrees with what YOU value.

Re:I thought that was always the goal (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about 10 months ago | (#44183153)

You know that you are perfectly welcome to live your heterosexual, monogamous life as you wish. You may not however dictate how others must live theirs. They have all the same rights to all the same benefits you are entitled to.

If you want to outlaw pot, then I want to outlaw farting in public and garlic/onion breath. I'll have to assume you have the same feeling about tobacco smoke, car exhaust, and napalm.

You got it all sideways. Nobody is forcing you into a homosexual marriage or to get an abortion, only that you respect people that do if you wish to be called a human being.

Re:I thought that was always the goal (1)

mcgrew (92797) | about 10 months ago | (#44183865)

Air polluted with pot smoke?? What? Can you expound on this?

Re:I thought that was always the goal (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | about 10 months ago | (#44188499)

Hate to inform you, but one of the odder problems with the liberty to take drugs that are smoked, is that it contributes to global warming and air pollution.

Re:I thought that was always the goal (1)

mcgrew (92797) | about 9 months ago | (#44193821)

No, it doesn't contribute to global warming, the carbon released came from the atmosphere a short few months earlier. Global warming comes from carbon that was sequestered for millions of years being released.

As to pollution, you've got to be joking. One revolution of an internal combustion engine releases more pollution than you could generate smoking pot all month.

Re:I thought that was always the goal (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | about 9 months ago | (#44202887)

It isn't the amount it is the local concentration. And the tendency for it to affect your neighbors. Still, I agree about ICE engines, which is why I use the one in my prius as little as possible.

Re:I thought that was always the goal (1)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | about 10 months ago | (#44185613)

Ain't no way that shit's getting out into the hallway from here.

(I got the back window open and the fan turned on, man.)

Re:I thought that was always the goal (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | about 10 months ago | (#44188461)

Doesn't that just blow it out into the alley and create pollution in the world? After all, Pot Smoke *also* contains carbon monoxide and other greenhouse gasses that contribute to global warming!

Re:I thought that was always the goal (1)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | about 9 months ago | (#44201469)

As many things and as much of them as I've combusted in that fashion over the last few decades, I still doubt all of that adds up to what even one spontaneously-generated forest fire produces in an hour's time.

Re:I thought that was always the goal (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | about 9 months ago | (#44202877)

Of course it doesn't- but it is the small things we can control, not the large things. Isn't that the entire selling point of the Prius? Sure, it still burns gas, but far less than most cars and with far less pollution for four times the cost.

Re:I thought that was always the goal (1)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about 9 months ago | (#44203895)

End global warming?

Just end the US Navy. Fuel burning problems are solved in one measure, and carbon-release abatement is on a scale that cannot be remotely matched by any other single endeavor.

A good sized destroyer burns enough to heat a full-house for 150 years.

Re:I thought that was always the goal (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | about 9 months ago | (#44207343)

Well, not only the navy, but also the merchant marine. Those big container ships burn the dirtiest engines and technology available, because it is the cheapest fuel.

Re:I thought that was always the goal (1)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about 9 months ago | (#44212763)

Then? You could return to local manufacturing and industrial base...

But I talk madness! The miracle of the Service Economy is what has enriched the present generation over our predecessors!

Re:I thought that was always the goal (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | about 10 months ago | (#44182753)

And conversely, any attempt to rein in capitalism is seen as an infringement of the liberties of the capitalist. It is completely a two way street.

Which is why I am against the concept of liberty itself. It always gets abused.

Re:I thought that was always the goal (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about 10 months ago | (#44184449)

Which is why I am against the concept of liberty itself.

Well, that has to include the liberty to compel others to follow your rules, or anybody else's. In that context, history has proven you are right. It will always be abused.

Re:I thought that was always the goal (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | about 10 months ago | (#44188487)

Yep, exactly. There is no ability to interact with others without mutually agreed upon rules- and if your version of liberty is against all rules, the price is human contact.

There is no way around that.

Re:I thought that was always the goal (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about 10 months ago | (#44188623)

You are free to agree, or not. That is liberty. The freedom to choose. But there there is no system that has any right to impose itself upon me. It has no right to prohibit or compel anything. Its sole purpose is to ensure that all interactions are consensual.

Re:I thought that was always the goal (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | about 9 months ago | (#44202893)

True, you always have the right to move off the grid and become a hermit, well, mostly. There are few places off the grid these days.

Re:I thought that was always the goal (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | about 10 months ago | (#44182733)

"It would, except that most people are not hermits. Some of us like to be with others and enjoy their company."

The trouble is, to do that, you need to abide by the rules, if only of that household. You can't have liberty and enjoy the company of other human beings.

" And we don't don't insist on liberties that harm others."

Usury. Benefits paid by tax dollars, both corporate and personal. Abortion. Euthanasia. Gay marriage. Drug abuse to the point of property damage. The list of demanded liberties *quickly* exceeds "don't harm others" for even the most minor items.

The only way not to harm others while insisting on being able to freely have no rules, is to be a hermit.

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