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This one's for fustakrakich

smitty_one_each (243267) writes | about a year ago

User Journal 7

This is one of those "Imma defend to the death your right to say something really bewildering" things
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxrkXdnlzksThis is one of those "Imma defend to the death your right to say something really bewildering" things
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxrkXdnlzks

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Flip it around... (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | about a year ago | (#44617439)

How is this dystopian future any less realistic than the unrealised dystopian future that so many conservative pundits swore up and down we would see under President Obama?

Re:Flip it around... (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about a year ago | (#44617663)

Detroit?

Re:Flip it around... (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | about a year ago | (#44617751)

Please elaborate. I'm not sure how Detroit answers my question. Immediately I don't see how the POTUS - regardless of who they are and what party they represent - really has much to do with the collapse of the motor city.

Re:Flip it around... (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about a year ago | (#44620031)

Fair point. It's certainly the case that the President's control over specific events is indirect on a good day.
Nevertheless, I'll double down on my argument that the ideas which President Obama espouses are highly congruent with the ones that made Detroit the success it is today.
In defense of Obama, the Republican counter-arguments are. . .wait. . .where did they go?
What a godforsaken mess.

Re:Flip it around... (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | about a year ago | (#44620499)

Fair point. It's certainly the case that the President's control over specific events is indirect on a good day.

I can't really envision how any president - live, dead, or theoretical - could have saved Detroit any more so than any president could have prevented New Orleans from being damaged by Hurricane Katrina.

Nevertheless, I'll double down on my argument that the ideas which President Obama espouses are highly congruent with the ones that made Detroit the success it is today.

I would say that is an oversimplification. There is plenty of blame to go around on the disaster that is Detroit. Much of what we see is the result of one city going pretty well all-in on a single industry and not forming a backup plan when that industry decides it no longer wants that city.

In defense of Obama, the Republican counter-arguments are. . .wait. . .where did they go?

Are we still talking about Detroit at that point? I've seen plenty of ... interesting ... conservative proposals for how to bring Detroit around, though none from republican elected officials AFAIK. They seem excited to jump at the opportunity to lay blame but not to try to suggest a solution - reminds me of congress debating the health insurance industry bailout act.

What a godforsaken mess.

Indeed, several times over.

I'm not sure we have ever had a time in our nation's history where partisanship did so much to prevent anything from getting done. More congressoinal critters are interested in their TV appearances than in getting things done; they'd rather deliver counterpoints than ideas. I sometimes wonder if what we need - other than the abolition of the monoparty system that we essentially have that we likely will never get rid of - is some way to force congressional debates to be done in a nameless / party-less system. If they don't know before the words come up who is saying them then they might not have preconceived notions of them and they might actually listen instead of preparing their rebuttals and reasons to block. Of course, they might all just turn into trolls, but I'm not sure that would be much for the worse.

Re:Flip it around... (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about a year ago | (#44622547)

I would say that is an oversimplification. There is plenty of blame to go around on the disaster that is Detroit. Much of what we see is the result of one city going pretty well all-in on a single industry and not forming a backup plan when that industry decides it no longer wants that city.

We're diverging, sir. Back you original question:

How is this dystopian future any less realistic than the unrealised dystopian future that so many conservative pundits swore up and down we would see under President Obama?

The dystopian future of which "so many conservative pundits swore up and down" is the generalization of Detroit: more an more resources consumed by the process, so that the product dies.
Yesterday I blew a day of vacay and videoed MIRC [virginia.gov] hearings. This is Medicaid expansion. In defense of the presenters, they seemed sincere in their desire to do their jobs.
However, I just don't believe the fundamental http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_bill_of_rights [wikipedia.org] any of it; not in theory (at the federal level), and not in practice, economically. There was a discussion at this MIRC hearing of "federal dollars" (as though the country has multiple currencies) and how that if the States don't blow taxpayer dollars, money, they don't get "federal matching funds". Talk about perverse incentives!
And for what? The federal incentives are all short- to mid-term. What happens when the well runs dry?
I just don't believe it. It's all foolishness. What I do believe is that the Detroit-ification of the country will continue apace without substantial reform. I don't believe the Democrats capable of delivering it, and I'm far from certain the Republicans even remember their roots in any useful way; it's all been eaten by this Progressive Utopian vision.
That ends in Detroit.

Best Actor Goes to.... (1)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about a year ago | (#44619095)

"Noah Ward!"

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