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  • First, you are a coward so just leave okay? I will buy your ticket to KKKanadia if you promise to stay there forever.

    Second, the selective service system has been going on for quite some time, it ramped up under Carter and has not stopped. The primary group of politicians who advocate this form of slavery are Democrats anyway [franceisoc...ermany.org], so vote Bush and your chicken ass ought to be safe.

    • I will buy your ticket to KKKanadia if you promise to stay there forever.

      I just might consider that. This country is on the verge of being beyond repair. If only Bill Gates (or some other billionaire) were as passionate about democracy as I am, then maybe we could turn this country around. As it stands, I, as a regular Joe (financially), can't do too much. And a war draft is a pretty good reason for me to just leave.

      so vote Bush and your chicken ass ought to be safe.

      If by "chicken ass" you mean I value

      • So you're going to go to Canada because you're "passionate about democracy"?!?

        If you're so upset about a possible draft then maybe you should write a letter or two to Charles Rangel who is the biggest proponent of reinstituting the draft. (You can probably send it care of the DNC.)

        Bush forced the war? Neat idea. Wouldn't it really fall under the fault of the person who invaded Kuwait and then failed to live up to the terms of surrender 12 years later?
      • You're a jackass. make that, an uninformed communist jackass.

        This country is on the verge of being beyond repair

        what the hell are you talking about? You mean the fact that the economy just grew the largest percent in a quarter in 19 years is beyond repair? Just what issues are you talking about when you say beyond repair, unless you're just talking about the propaganda that's obviously taken hold of you.

        If by "chicken ass" you mean I value my life,

        I think GM meant Chicken Ass as in, cowardly

        • This country is on the verge of being beyond repair

          what the hell are you talking about?

          Democracy and civil rights. Nobody can run for a major office without being a millionaire, or have millionaire funding, and those in office spend (literally) half their time raising money for their next campaign and working on their re-election. The barriers of entry for politics are way too high. My representatives aren't representing me (despite being of the the same party in which I place myself) but there isn't m

          • Hey baby killer and advocate of the government registration and tracking of homosexuals, go check the update.

            BTW, I was not put on this planet to tell chicken-shits what the term means.
            • Gosh, if only more Americans were as warm and welcoming as you, I just might stay.

              I know you're not totally serious in the extremes you go to, but I thought liberals were supposed to be friendly and in favor of people's personal rights?

          • Nobody can run for a major office without being a millionaire, or have millionaire funding

            From a Washington Times article I have saved, entitled "The richest 1 percent" from December 18, 2002::

            Those giving $200 to $999: GOP $68 million; Democrats $44 million. Those giving $1,000 to $9,999: GOP $317 million; Democrats $307 million. The "fabulously wealthy" donors of $10,000+ gave $111 million to the GOP - a whopping $29 million less than the $140 million they lavished on the Democrats! Among those who g
            • I can send you a copy of that article if you want it. You know, so you can be informed.
              Um, as far as I can tell, your figures just supported my claim.
              You sound like a whiny liberal to me.
              You couldn't be more wrong.
              • Um, as far as I can tell, your figures just supported my claim

                Ok, so how about that Dean guy? He's raised something like $25 million for the Democratic primaries with an average donation of $77.

                The way to counter the influence of big donors is to donate some money yourself and encourage politicians you support to solicit their donations primarily from ordinary voters.
            • Far more people giving small amounts exist as contributors to the Republican Party - while Democrats skunked the GOP among the super-rich.

              Shush now! You keep it up, and you'll give our entire super-rich conspiracy to buy elections away!!!

            • He thinks the whole world is new york, apparently. In Tennessee we regularly have 6 or 7 people on the presidential ticket, the same for senators, a dozen for sheriff and whatever inbetween.

              The Leftists States require one to be moneyed to be on the ballot, the United States let anybody who can get a few signatures run for whatever they like.

              Also, the Leftist States let you murder babies whenever you like, try to get gay people registered at the marriage bureau, force 'pollution inspections' on your car,
              • You are so fucking ignorant, misguided and close-minded I don't even know where to begin...
                • Why must Leftist, chicken-shit Commie coward bastards resort to such ugly language?

                  Close minded? I do not think that murder is "okay" just because I agree with myself and a conspirator to murder another person. You do. If that is "open minded", please, have all of it you like. If *I* thought it was okay to murder whomever is inconvenient to my lifestyle, believe me, we would not be having this interaction.

                  Close minded? You wish for gay people to register with the government to be able to screw under
                  • You're closed-minded because you cannot understand or accept other people's beliefs or perceptions. You also do not think mothers should have the freedom of choice over their own pregnancy. You call me "baby killer" because I am pro-choice. You call me "chicken shit" because I oppose going to war for my country. Here's a clue -- write this down -- other people have different opinions and beliefs. The world does not run as you see it.

                    Your position on gay marriage is laughable. It's obvious you're a closet ho

                    • Ya know, I am amazed at my psychic powers and even more amazed at even your lack of perception.

                      You also do not think mothers should have the freedom of choice over their own pregnancy. You call me "baby killer" because I am pro-choice.

                      So, how exactly does one execrcise pro-choice without killing a baby? If you are pro contraception you would not use that term. Either you are a flaiming Leftist for whome words are as pliable as modeling clay or you do not speak English.

                      You call me "chicken shit" bec
                    • You're closed-minded because you cannot understand or accept other people's beliefs or perceptions. You also do not think mothers should have the freedom of choice over their own pregnancy. You call me "baby killer" because I am pro-choice. You call me "chicken shit" because I oppose going to war for my country. Here's a clue -- write this down -- other people have different opinions and beliefs. The world does not run as you see it.

                      how does objecting to someone's selfish views make him closed-minded? it
                    • it seems to me he's heard an awful lot from baby-killers such as yourself, and chicken-shits like you, and hasn't been convinced that your cowardice and murder are right.
                      I wasn't attacking his view, I was attacking his lack of respect for mine. I can definitely understand the pro-lifers, that's just not how I see things.
                    • let me get this straight. Because he thinks your view is idiotic, he's closed-minded. I think your views that make you a baby-killer and chicken-shit are stupid too. Both myself and Herr Montag are well aware of the "arguements" put forth by you baby-killing chicken-shits, and think they hold no water whatsoever. So we stick to the views that make sense to us. That's not closed-mindedness, it's sound reasoning.
                    • let me get this straight. Because he thinks your view is idiotic, he's closed-minded.
                      No, it's because he brushes me off as some idiot because my beliefs differ. He used my opinions to suggest that I was somehow a lesser person/citizen and that I'm an idiot because of what I think. I don't agree with his views, but I don't think he's an idiot for having them because I understand someone not agreeing with me.
                    • I happen to brush you off as an idiot for your beliefs because I think your views are ignorant and selfish. I would consider you to be a lesser person politically for them because of your bad judgement and reasoning. I understand that you disagree, and I'm fine with you disagreeing. But thinking less of a person for having stupid or bad opinons is how the game is played. It's not a game of personal things, but rather of respect. By not having a view that makes sense, you lose that respect, and a man wh
                    • How are my opinions less valid than yours or Montag's?
                    • because yours are selfish and unsupported by fact, while ours are supported by fact, history, and the greater good.
                    • LOL... Now I'm really laughing... The greater good?! Please... And what facts support your pro-life claims?

                      You guys are such jokes. So far you have done nothing but spout off your beliefs and call me names. If you really felt that I'm an idiot, why don't you enlighten me?

                    • um, since when has the rampant acceptance of murder been a positive thing?

                    • um, since when has the rampant acceptance of murder been a positive thing?

                      Since you've been living in a hole, I'll clue you in. Not everyone believes that life begins at the same time. Pro-lifers like yourself and your sidekick Montag tend to think it starts early on (conception, first month of pregnancy, etc.). Pro-choicers, those of us who believe the mother can choose what to do on her own without having her life dictated by law, tend to believe it starts later (third trimester, at birth, etc.). I don

                    • Montag is my sidekick? hahahahahaha

                      but seriously. You're fighting a semantic battle with little to no evidence. Doctors won't let you in to get preemtive surgery to remove an organ that at some point might fail (i.e. appendix), why would it make sense to allow abortion when the "fetus", as you pro-murder folks love to call them, is in perfect health?
            • I'd like a link to the article on campaign donations. I've been wanting to use the numbers in other debates but haven't been able to find the numbers :-/
              • I can't find the origional article on the times's website, but here is the complete text before it was removed.

                Washington Times Op-Ed: The Richest 1%

                Dateline: December 18, 2002
                Headline: The richest 1 percent
                The Washington Times

                So much for Republicans being the party of the wealthy. According to a new study by the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics, that moniker more appropriately belongs to the Democrats. "Republicans raised more than Democrats from individuals who contributed small and
          • The barriers of entry for politics are way too high.

            And your solution? If it DOESN'T involve me paying for (i.e. "public funding" of campaigns) politicians I disagree with, I'm all ears.

            My letters go unanswered, both in terms of receiving a reply and in terms of having my opinions/ideas influence laws.

            Tricky thing about democracy. Turns out other people's opinions/ideas can have as much (or more! really!) impact as yours. Especially if you view supporting things that the majority of the population appr

            • And your solution? If it DOESN'T involve me paying for (i.e. "public funding" of campaigns) politicians I disagree with, I'm all ears.

              No funding. The only way to solve the money issue is to eliminate its influence. Provide a fair means for distributing the candidates message -- weekly debates on a non-cable channel, equal space in the local newspaper, etc. Abolish paid advertising (TV spots and lawn signs). This will require *some* public funding, but it will be on the order of hundreds of dollars per can

              • No funding.

                ...Just require free airtime (costing the advertisers more money, as stations need to raise thier rates...). Abolish freedom of speech (TV ads, and lawn signs)... I think your cure is worse than the disease. I thought you said something about BUSH decreasing civil liberties.

                Politicians are public servants, so their personal beliefs should be irrelevant.

                !!!!! ???? !!!!!!

                WTF? You are picking someone to represent you. Surely you think they should share your values? (Else, why do you complain that

                • Abolish freedom of speech (TV ads, and lawn signs)..

                  I have to agree with Red Warrior here. This is one of the things that pisses me off the most about most campaign finance reform proposals. If I choose to run an advertisement or put up a lawn sign I paid for out of my own pocket in support of a canidate or issue where the Hell does the government get off telling me I can't?

                  WTF? You are picking someone to represent you. Surely you think they should share your values? (Else, why do you complain that your
                  • I blush to admit this, but with the whole going to Iraq thing, I haven't paid much attention to local politics. Esp. since I just assume the Dem nominee will win.
                    • I blush to admit this, but with the whole going to Iraq thing, I haven't paid much attention to local politics. Esp. since I just assume the Dem nominee will win.

                      You are likely right that the Democrat will probably win but there are still three of them to choose from.

                      At this point I'm probably going to vote for Talmadge since I don't trust Gregiore or Sims and I like Talmadge's zero based budget proposal. Under zero based budgets all State agencies would have to justify their full budgets every 2 years.
                    • Ah! Thanks for the names.

                      Sims. Not a fscking chance in hell. He's made enough of a mess where he is.

                      Gregiore, I have mixed feelings about. She's like Locke. I disagree with her, but I can reasonably expect her to do what she says (though I note she DIDN'T pursue real legal action against the Marysville teachers, despite earlier statements that would have lead you to believe she might. In fairness, though, she never actually said she would.). I can respect that.

                      Talmadge, isn't my favorite, but he doesn't su

                    • Sims. Not a fscking chance in hell. He's made enough of a mess where he is.

                      Agreed. His refusal to see the problems with Sound Transit or listen to the voters frustrations with this $3 billion plus boondoggle is enough to lose my support.

                      Gregiore, I have mixed feelings about. She's like Locke. I disagree with her, but I can reasonably expect her to do what she says (though I note she DIDN'T pursue real legal action against the Marysville teachers, despite earlier statements that would have lead you to be
              • That doesn't make any fucking sense at all. It requires the suppression of free speech, and turns what already is annoying into an ordeal for the voters.

                And to refute your beliefs on beliefs in politics, I disagree. A Christian voting for a Christian in hopes of him making Christian decisions is no different from a person electing a General in hopes that he'll make good military decisions based on his beliefs which spring from experiences rather than how you assume it should and will go.

            • ]I'm not arguing pro or con either of these positions, I'm just pointing out that the MAJORITY of the population agrees with Bush.

              That does depend a bit based on what state you are in. Here in Washington the population is at least 60% pro-choice based on the amendment to the State Constitution that passed a few years back.

              I can't remember the exact numbers but I do seem to recall polls showing that a slight majority of voters favor allowing abortions, however a majority also support putting some restrict
              • Yeah, WA does lean toward the left politically.
                • True, however I should point out that the polls I were refering to wrt abortion were national.

                  Nationwide a majority of voters support keeping abortion legal, however a majority of voters also support placing restrictions on abortion, particularly late-term or when the mother is a minor.
                  • Yeah, that's the funny thing about polls. You need to know the exact questions that were asked in order to know, what if anything, they mean.

                    For instance, if you ask "should abortion always be legal?" or "should abortion always be illegal?", you will get vastly different result sets than if you ask "should abortion be legeal to save the life of the mother?" or "should abortion ONLY be legel to save the life of the mother?"

                    My take is that the majority of the population favors legal abortion if the life (a

              • And if the feds would stick to their enumerated powers the PNW could be the baby-murder capitol of the US. States should define murder within a State, not the feds, even if it is a federal employee.

                I suspect that OR would be in competition with WA, especially since they legalized the murder of old people who are too expensive or inconvenient to be taken care of.
                • And if the feds would stick to their enumerated powers the PNW could be the baby-murder capitol of the US. States should define murder within a State, not the feds, even if it is a federal employee.

                  My personal opinion is abortions should be legal and easily availible during the first-trimester to any woman over 18. Ideally this would be taken care of within the first couple of weeks using something like RU-486. (note that I could be construed as someone who supports limits on abortion since I think anyone
                  • Ahem, it certainly is not a greapfruit, it is a baby.
                    • Ahem, it certainly is not a greapfruit, it is a baby.

                      The question is where the Hell do you draw the line?

                      Do you allow abortions to save the life of the mother?

                      What about miscarrages? "morning after" pills or emergency contraception?

                      How about sperm or eggs? They certainly are potential babies.

                      To me a fertilised egg clearly is not a baby, just as clearly as an embryo at 39 weeks is a baby. The question is at what point does this go from not-baby to baby?
                    • How about sperm or eggs? They certainly are potential babies.
                      If you masturbate you throw away potential babies wadded up in a tissue. If you don't, your body kills them and replaces them with fresh potential babies on a regular basis. Even women throw their precious potential babies in the garbage, wrapped up in a bloody pad.

                      GMontag and every other person here is a baby killer.

                    • The question is where the Hell do you draw the line?

                      At life.

                      Do you allow abortions to save the life of the mother?

                      Yes, if that is the true reason for the procedure, to save life NOT lifestyle.

                      What about miscarrages?

                      What about them? Do you even know what they are? If you did that would not be a part of this discussion. Now, if the miscarriage is induced by another providing trauma then there might be a murder issue here, yes?

                      "morning after" pills or emergency contraception?

                      Both of those prev
                    • Wow! What a GOD DAMNED RETARD!

                      First, a little biology. Neither a sperm nor an egg are a baby by themselves. They have to meet and the egg be successfully fertalized.

                      No wonder you are so screwed up on this, you don't even know what an embrio is.

                      You sound like the flake-job on the Israeli Drone thread who believes "Palestinians" are like American Indians.
                    • It was sarcasm. I don't believe anything is a baby except a living, breathing, crying, thumb-sucking human I can hold in my hands.
                • And if the feds would stick to their enumerated powers the PNW could be the baby-murder capitol of the US. States should define murder within a State, not the feds, even if it is a federal employee.

                  Unfortunately the situation is a bit more messy than that. The SCOTUS said it believed the Constitution allowed a right to abortion. Now my read of the situation is that the Supreme Court is well within it's rights to do this. Like it or not the only way to really deal with it is to try to bring another case i
          • My representatives aren't representing me (despite being of the the same party in which I place myself) but there isn't much I can do about it. My letters go unanswered, both in terms of receiving a reply and in terms of having my opinions/ideas influence laws.

            If what you say is true then perhaps you need to work to get someone else elected in your Representatives place. Anti-incumbent feelings seem to be running high among the voters right now so there is a good chance it would work.

            I will say that desp
            • During Desert Storm my Congressman, Jimmy Duncan, called me at work wanting to know if I really was trying to be mobilized. It was too late because the ground war started soon after. He is quite responsive in general. Fred Thompson was quite responsive too.

              Bill Frist, the new Senate Majority Leader, was almost the opposite. His office responds, but it is rarely a response that has anything to do with what is asked.

              Basicly you have to find other voters in your district who feel the same way you do, fo
      • Since you are located in the People's Republic of Upstate New York that ticket better not be more than $10. No stopping off in Miami to visit your retired 'civil service' commrades (there StB) on my sawbuck. You probably have a nice, socalized, bus or rail system that goes direct to the Arctic Circle for $5, so lunch may be on me too. I don't use PayPal.
    • Why don't you enable comments in the journal you just created? I'd also like to see your reasoning behind me being a "chicken shit".
    • I will buy your ticket to KKKanadia

      Get it right Guy, it's "Soviet Canuckistan" ;-)
  • Many '60s-era draft loopholes have already been closed

    Except for the one about having a vagina. The draft makes me mad. The sexist means of implementing the draft makes me livid.
    • You're so cuuutttee when you get all livid! ;->
    • Except for the one about having a vagina. The draft makes me mad. The sexist means of implementing the draft makes me livid.

      Why? The purpose of an armed force is to kill other people. History has shown that mixed sex units generally fall apart. Further, women sent home in body bags (or to tell stories of their rapes) are demoralizing to the home front. I'm all for drafting women. Just keep 'em in support positions.
      • Why?

        Because equality is for everything- not just the things that would make my life more convenient.
      • Umm, I hate to have to disagree with you in Steve Bartman's journal, of all places, but I gotta.

        The purpose of an armed force is to kill other people.

        Well, no it isn't. We spend 99.99999% of our time NOT killing other people, half of the remainder not having the opportunity even if we are in a real war and 75% of that remainder trying to get the other guys to surrender if we do have the opportunity to kill them. Haven't you watched the last five wars and dozen huminatarian interventions?

        Our purpose i
    • Finally! A woman that agrees with me! I'm glad the loophole exists though. It's a perfect example of sexism being a good thing. Why, you ask? No, it has nothing to do with combat ability or weaker sexes or anything of that sort.

      It's because it's way easier to repopulate a nation postwar with a hanful of men and a lot of women than vice versa.
      • It's because it's way easier to repopulate a nation postwar with a hanful of men and a lot of women than vice versa.

        The last war I can possibly think of where that might have been a problem was the Civil War.

        In modern warfare this is just a total non-issue. If it is a problem there are going to be much bigger issues to worry about.

        Frankly I'm against selective service registration or the draft. However if we are going to require either women should be included.
        • I am against them both also as a matter of morals and function. However, I fully recognize the Constitutional power that the Congress has to use such a system and the Constitutional powers that the President has to administer such a system.

          Thank goodness Richard Nixon, with consultation by Milton Friedman, came up with the system that we have today.
          • I am against them both also as a matter of morals and function. However, I fully recognize the Constitutional power that the Congress has to use such a system and the Constitutional powers that the President has to administer such a system.

            Again I find myself agreeing with you.

            On the other hand I do oppose an attempt under the current circumstances to re-instate the draft. However I will do so via communicating my feelings to members of Congress.

            If the draft was brought back I'm not sure what I would sa
            • Think of it as the firehose. You know the one. "In case of emergency, break glass". Now notice that you are in a stick-built building. FWIW, if the builing is on fire, that hose isn't gonna help. And you won't get to it in time, even if it would. But it makes some people feel better.

              BTW, I'm with Montag. I want the guy on my left and right and (especially) the guy behind me to be volunteers. I would rather have a blank file guarding my flank than someone who was forced in. Most every service member, of ever

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