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Poll: Lady Guardian

FortKnox (169099) writes | more than 10 years ago

User Journal 46

Well, LG has left us for life, DDR/SSX/Diablo, and comedy.Well, LG has left us for life, DDR/SSX/Diablo, and comedy.

The question is, will she return (this is a multipick poll, btw. Pick as many options as you like)?
A.) She never left! She can't get enough TL (especially now that he's not on the market)
B.) She has a troll account she likes to use and hasn't left.
C.) Give'r a week.
D.) Give'r a month or so.
E.) She'll return, just no time soon.
F.) She's done with Slashdot and Journals forever.
G.) LG, I caught you reading this. Now fess up! :-P
H.) This poll sucks! Damnit Em... wait... your making a poll and aren't named Em? WTF HAS THIS WORLD COME TO?!?!?
I.) I dunno, but if she ever does, I'm assaulting her with request to start up her webcam and see if I can git her nekkid!


F. (1)

leviramsey (248057) | more than 10 years ago | (#7434939)

This bears a striking similarity to fluffy grue's departure from K5... I've gotta say that this is permanent.

Between E and F (1)

MonTemplar (174120) | more than 10 years ago | (#7435038)

Almost all of the stuff she writes in her Journal here is also on her website, so in a way she's saving herself a lot of repetition.

And it's not like she's trashed the Journal, or done a 180-degree behaviour shift, like Sporty did earlier this year.

Anyway, she's got more important concerns, like her new day-job.


Re:Between E and F (1)

SamTheButcher (574069) | more than 10 years ago | (#7435226)

Ya, what he said.

Re:Between E and F (1)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 10 years ago | (#7438630)


But more E than F... Simply for the fact that at slashdot you have guaranteed readership. On your own site, well, let's just say, you get less exposure.
For the moment she's sick of the exposure, but I think that will eventually wear off. She will be reorganizing her time due to the day-job and will find out that slashdot is stilld doable, you just have to be more selective on what journals your read and which you delete.

Re:Between E and F (1)

heliocentric (74613) | more than 10 years ago | (#7448579)

And it's not like she's trashed the Journal, or done a 180-degree behaviour shift, like Sporty did earlier this year.

Yeah, I miss sporty, he was funny. I gather he took a lot of things the wrong way and that made for some tough times. I know I didn't help when I didn't permit some trash talking he was doing on IRC, but I still miss him.

I don't think I'll find myself saying that in a few months about LG. She's gone, she wasn't as important as she saw herself. Boo-f'ing-whoo.

Banky, however, now there's someone who I will keep reading his JEs offsite, but the community that remains here will be that much darker for knowing he is gone. He posts were great and will be missed.

Re:Between E and F (1)

MonTemplar (174120) | more than 10 years ago | (#7448944)

Banky, however, now there's someone who I will keep reading his JEs offsite, but the community that remains here will be that much darker for knowing he is gone. He posts were great and will be missed.

Based on my experience of reading and participating in alt.callahans on Usenet, I would say that this is not a dark day, rather a part of the process that keeps the online world going - old faces go to other places or offline, new faces come in.

Many people who I befriended last year have either abandoned their journals (eg. Ars Fartsica) or have left Slashdot altogether (eg. Twirlip Of The Mists). Several people that I befriended in the last month are relative n00bs (UIDs in the high 600000s and above), like Bluefairee.

With Usenet there are FAQ postings to bring together the history and customs of a newsgroups. Maybe there should be an effort to gather together the information left behind in Journals and elsewhere on /. by those who have passed on to other parts? Tricky, but not impossible. Sort of a Dead Journal service.

Face it, Helio, your place in /. history (or is that infamy?) is already assured... ;-)


My Take is E (1)

DaytonCIM (100144) | more than 10 years ago | (#7435050)

I think she is burned out on many, many things and I think her recent JE was a way to vent. Of course, I think burning one's bridge (even with virtual friends) and publicly ripping and a not-so-innocent (yes that is an innuendo!) bystander is complete bullshit.

I personally think she'll lurk about every now and then (but not post for quite some time). And maybe after her RL drama has subsided a bit, she'll return and let us all know that she is alive and well.

Just my 2cents.

Re:My Take is E (1)

dthable (163749) | more than 10 years ago | (#7435087)

...and publicly ripping and a not-so-innocent...

We only roast the one's we love. :)

Re:My Take is E (1)

bethanie (675210) | more than 10 years ago | (#7435436)

Thanks, Jeff. I really appreciate it.


Re:My Take is E (1)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 10 years ago | (#7435467)

eh, she's too young, if I'm old enough to say it. It was naivity and simple ignorance in 'burning the bridges', so I just brushed it off as a youngin that got too mad at how real life really is (can't you remember your first steps on your own?).

Re:My Take is E (1)

DaytonCIM (100144) | more than 10 years ago | (#7435496)

I don't like to remember my first steps... I made MANY, MANY mistakes. However, I still have to call it as I see it.

Re:My Take is E (1)

gmhowell (26755) | more than 10 years ago | (#7436221)

Perhaps the 'rift in the FK circle' is between the married w/kids and the singles?

I'm kinda curious who the 'faux intelligentsia' are. I certainly hope nobody has confused my ramblings with anything other than the random thoughts of someone who likes beer and motorcycles (albeit not at the same time.)

(I really should be working on this firewall instead of screwing around here...)

Re:My Take is E (1)

gmhowell (26755) | more than 10 years ago | (#7436189)

And here I thought I was the only one with similar thoughts. I was also trying to reconcile thinking of someone in their 20's as a 'youngin'. Like someone said in Dayton's journal, having the kid catapults you from teenager to adult in a real frickin' hurry.

Re:My Take is E (1)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 10 years ago | (#7435587)

Honestly, ever since the whole "I'm taking the webcam down and its all your faults" journal, I've been itchin to write back and give her a piece of my mind, but chose not to (cause I wanted to be a bit bitter, but not too harsh). I've just been in too many conversations with younger people starting off on their own, and explaining how difficult life is. Yet she gets no compassion from us, because almost all of us have already been through the 'rough times' and made it through. Its something we all go through and its just her time.

Same thing is happening to my sister. I kinda just told her I don't pity her. I had a rough time out of school, and if she thinks its hard now, she should try holding down a morgage, living happily with a wife, and supporting a child (in more senses than just financially). Its just young ignorance. Hard to go from a sheltered childhood to real life.

Then there is my brother-in-law (this is when it was getting too harsh to type). He complains about not having anything to do during the day since he doesn't have a job. Then he complains that the jobs aren't paying well (he found out how much I make, and uses my salary as a comparison. I am an engineer, he has a spanish degree and military training in intelligence but no job experience). I busted my ass through college to get my engineering degree so I could get paid well, and hold a good, stable job.

OK, since I'm going off, might as well put down the thing that struck me the most rudely. The insult to SafetyCap's generous coding 'whip up'. He had volunteered to throw something together over the weekend to help out my slashdot contest (yeah, I keep meaning to send the final list, sorry). He pulled through and gets insulted for bad design and functionality. Its not like it was a paid-for professionally done site, but something to get the job done in little time. What if I told her "everything I ever read from you wasn't funny at all and you aren't going to make it in comedy with material like that?" It just hits a hard place when people insult others for the work they do (especially when they do it for a living). If I volunteered stuff, I'd hope that people would appreciate the time I put into it, not criticize everything...

I kinda stooped low on this comment. I try not to blow off steam on slashdot, but this ones been building up a bit.... sorry folks

Re:My Take is E (1)

dubiousdave (618128) | more than 10 years ago | (#7436370)

I'm pretty much with you on all counts, FK. I've refrained from posting anything for the same reason. I couldn't think of anything remotely nice to say about that arrogant, sanctimonious tantrum, so I didn't say anything -- until now, that is.

Re:My Take is E (1)

Abm0raz (668337) | more than 10 years ago | (#7437454)

Not to belittle any of your points, but what about those of us that struggled through childhood, paid our own way through college to get our engineering degree and still get paid shit?

Now, just a point. I get paid shit cause I have a very specific geographical location I want to live in. I could get offered much more to move, but I'd rather live in Central/Western PA (can't give up my Steelers and Penguins).

As for LG, I didn't know here. Never really read her journals. I believe I was the one that asked "Who was LG and what about her breasts?" in the poll of Em's that asked what was the greatest thing that happened in /. I can't help but wonder what she expected when tell a bunch of
(for the most part) teenage high schoolers, College men, and recently graduated college men that she is a hot chick with nice tits and then put up a webcam to prove it. That's almost the non-nude equivilent of posing for playboy then getting pissed off that the geek that always wanted you in high school but you hated gets ahold of the pictures and whacks off to them. Every once in a while, you have to look in the mirror and say, "Geez, I shoulda seen that coming."

As for her leaving, I agree. I chalk it up to youth, but that's not always bad. I pulled a very similar stunt on an old MUD I used to play on. I became the "MUD winner" by spending way too much time on it to become the biggest player. I could kill at will (player and monster). Eventually, it just got too much taking all the other player's comments and I just left. Suicided my character and left. That was 5 years ago and I've been back 3 times expressly to log on, shoot an email to an old friend, and right back off. So I have a feeling she'll be back, but only to talk to someone specific, and otherwise, she'll steer clear. This is not always a bad thing for the individual. Sometimes you just need to make a clean break to get your life on track rather than try and use self-control. Not everyone has that ability.


Re:My Take is E (1)

Safety Cap (253500) | more than 10 years ago | (#7438207)

Thanks, J-man. That means a lot.

She can rip my efforts to shreds, 'cause it is all good. That's what freedom of speech is all about.

I would have prefered that she not be a punk and actually give some suggestions or offered to design the interface for FKSDFC #3 instead of just saying she can do it "better" (whatever that means). The view from the cheap seats is exactly that.

Oh yeah, I'll send you the stats Wednesday: top five hot or not, top 3 picks for each person... anything else you want? (Note to self - design reporting engine)

Re:My Take is E (1)

bethanie (675210) | more than 10 years ago | (#7441708)

I thought the final format of the Photo Contest was quite good, for something that nobody got paid for and was just supposed to be fun.

I also groove on just sitting and looking for all the subliminal faces in that background, man. It's like, totally far out.



Re:My Take is E (1)

subgeek (263292) | more than 10 years ago | (#7444780)

i think your complaints are fair, not low. i get the feeling it irritated her that we all tried to help her out. she just had her first real boyfriend. she just decided to go for comedy now rather than finishing school (after everyone here told her to finish school). i remember people telling me stuff at that age and thinking it was all nonsense. it was and it wasn't. everyone goes through that stage. what works for one may not work for another. but a little perspective goes a long way in being to help give advice. every 20 year old thinks that their experience is something the world has never seen before. while it's unique, it's still human and fits into that role very well.

so it didn't bug me that she was irritated because i remember being that age. i remember acting similarly. i think it bugged her a little that we said the same stuff as her parents. she needs peers, not parental/older sibling figures.

I say "G" (1)

Ethelred Unraed (32954) | more than 10 years ago | (#7435092)

but only because of wishful thinking...since I didn't really get to say goodbye (I was too busy to read JEs and didn't see her farewell address until after the final commentless "I'm gone" JE).

So if G is in fact the right answer, hi LG, and sorry you're leaving.

Unfortunately seems to be a classic case of just a couple of nimrods on the Internet screwing it all for everyone else.




Re:I say "G" (1)

bethanie (675210) | more than 10 years ago | (#7435409)

Hey! Who you callin' a nimrod?!?!



Re:I say "G" (1)

Ethelred Unraed (32954) | more than 10 years ago | (#7436799)

Hey! Who you callin' a nimrod?!

What? You were ogling her breasts and stalking her? ;-)

Hey, I didn't say I shared her opinion of you, ma'amselle. *g*



Whatever (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7435144)

Girl begs for attention, gets more than she wanted, acts like a martyr. Alert Wolf Blitzer!

Although I do kind of agree with her about Bethanie.

(Posted anonymously because she annoyed me enough to post but not enough to put my name on it. Errr, I did check that box, right?)

Re:Whatever (1)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 10 years ago | (#7435638)

No need to AC if that's your opinion. I kinda said the same thing, but much more tactfully.

E) (1)

sielwolf (246764) | more than 10 years ago | (#7435537)

If she was truly serious, I'd do a few things:

1. De-fan everyone. If I then logged on I wouldn't see any messages and have the temptation of the zoo.

2. Delete all of my journal entries. No reason to go back if you destroy all you've created. If there was a way to delete all comments, I'd do that too.

3. Change the email address of my account to something I couldn't read.

4. Generate an impossible to remember password in a text editor. Change the /. password to that. Delete the local document. Log off.

Then there'd be no way of returning back to being LadyGuardian. Now that would be burning all bridges.

When things get busy I've gone weeks without reading /. Give her 3 weeks to two months.

Re:E) (1)

mekkab (133181) | more than 10 years ago | (#7436297)

Can I have you as my tacticle advisor? My Sun Tzu? It isn't just that I need help; its that you are soooo devious.

Re:E) (1)

sielwolf (246764) | more than 10 years ago | (#7436474)

Heh. Sure. Just wait at the river side long enough and you will see the corpse of your enemy float by.

The most twisted thing would be to do this to someone elses account.

Now that would be a great April Fool's prank for the /. editors to pull ;p

Dunno H? Yeah....C? Prolly (1)

Em Emalb (452530) | more than 10 years ago | (#7435809)

I don't remember which one is the couple three weeks option.

Too lazy to scroll button scroll button 1,2,3 back too.

Dunno. I think she did open herself up to a lot of the crap she's getting, but at the same time, did she deserve it? Nope.

Of course, she might think I am the biggest instigator...dunno. I did cause her to have the "Legendary" JE, if you remember.

Em emalb

I., I think.... (1)

Red Warrior (637634) | more than 10 years ago | (#7435853)

For someone to go on /., post entries on how she loves her breasts, put up a web cam, put up photos and designs for her "animie inspired" outfits, and then act surprised that she gets a lot of attention from geeks, not focused on her mind.... Nope, not impressed. That said, if someone was stalking her IRL, or pestering via e-mail/chat, that's broken.

She burned a lot of bridges without any good reason, that I could see. The whole bash on the "FK circle" thing, the slam on the FREE, VOLUNTEER voting system for the photo contest. Yes, maybe she COULD do better. But she didn't offer...

For all the people claiming to be intellectuals and feel that debating the nature of the universe on /. proves your Mensa-worthy-IQ-if-only-you-ever-felt-inclined-to- take-the-test

Amazing, I find that the delete functionality of /. works just fine for JE's I'm not interested in. For instance, JEs about performing at comedy clubs didn't seem to stick in my inbox for long... This reminds me of another JE by somebody else who recommended that JEs stick to "geek issues" and leave alone philosophy, ethics, politics, etc. Because "someone much smarter than you has already thought of it". But that's just me... Oh, btw, (expired) membership #100045122. Just for the record ;-> The true test of a "Mensa-worthy-IQ" is realizing that Mensa isn't worth your time or $$. Quite honestly, I find a higher caliber of discussion on /. (In the JE's! that is!!) than I ever did in any Mensa forum. And that includes the people who are wrong^W^Wdisagree with me. That's the reason I stick around here.

As far as the attack on Bethanie, I think it's nothing more than sour grapes. Someone though that they were going to play the femme fatale or vixen or whatever. Found out that they weren't comfortable in the role, couldn't pull it off, whatever. Sees Bethanie actually comfortable with the idea of flirting. (I consider putting a reference here to LG's complaints about not getting dates. I decide it would be tacky.) It may be that she got some spill over to e-mail/chat. I don't know. I hope not. In any case, it's not fair to slam Bethanie because she can pull it off and LG can't.

I'd considered posting something along those lines to LG's JE, but decided not to bother. There were more worthwhile JEs to read/write/respond to.

Re:I., I think.... (1)

mekkab (133181) | more than 10 years ago | (#7436426)

Red Warrior hits the nail on the head! All points are valid and insightful.

The only point I would like to add is I appreciate the self-sacrifice that LG has made on behalf of the "Circle, man."
She has injected a charged issue into the "group", about the state of said group.
At the very least, this gives the group an "other" to rally against.

At the middle- this gives the group another chance to become an appreciation society and further strengthen (even if temporarily) the bonds between us,

and at best- simply calls attention to the status quo; to the "box". Allowing us now to possibly "think outside it" (wtf that means) and transcend what we have become out of habit.

Re:I., I think.... (1)

SamTheButcher (574069) | more than 10 years ago | (#7445803)

At the middle- this gives the group another chance to become an appreciation society and further strengthen (even if temporarily) the bonds between us,

and at best- simply calls attention to the status quo; to the "box". Allowing us now to possibly "think outside it" (wtf that means) and transcend what we have become out of habit.

Incredibly astute, mr. b. Which is part of why I've said elsewhere that I hope she's really gone and fed up instead of this being some psych test on group dynamics or some shit.


Sorry. Got overtaken by the moment. :)

Re:I., I think.... (1)

Abm0raz (668337) | more than 10 years ago | (#7437687)

For all the people claiming to be intellectuals and feel that debating the nature of the universe on /. proves your Mensa-worthy-IQ-if-only-you-ever-felt-inclined-to- take-the-test



Re:I., I think.... (1)

Abm0raz (668337) | more than 10 years ago | (#7437715)

well damn. My entire rant was accidentlly enclosed in > due to my attempted cleverness of trying to make it look like a PGP ticket :(


How about a Non-Troll B? (1)

sillypixie (696077) | more than 10 years ago | (#7436446)

This is the great thing about /. - LG can do it all over again. She can create a new personality, and not do all the things she regrets about LG. She can create a new alias, and this time be more selective about the things she reveals. She can participate at whatever level she wishes, with as much anonymity as she prefers. Of course, this doesn't help with the stalkers who already know who she really is... that's an ugly thing, and I've been there (I think most geek-girls have). I don't know the situation, but here's hoping that killing the LG alias is enough to make the bastards go away.

Personally, I choose to post here at /. because I can be anonymous, I don't have to prove anything to anyone. For all anyone here knows, I could be a 420-lb disgusting slob with a personal hygiene problem. Your physical appearance only has to matter here if you make it matter. But if you realize, belatedly, that it's more fun when people read what you write, and like you for it, than when they drool over your webcam and like you for that instead, all you have to do is re-invent yourself, and the problem goes away.

Umm. (1)

rdewald (229443) | more than 10 years ago | (#7439014)

You folks are giving her just what she wanted--attention. There's nothing wrong with that, but at least get some perspective and stop taking her verbal assault personally.

She can leave without the noise, she didn't.

Get real.
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