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So, Veterans Can Drop Dead, But Pandering To Amnesty Crowd Is Cool

smitty_one_each (243267) writes | about a year ago

User Journal 17

After punishing WWII veterans by arbitrarily denying them access to the WWII memorial, we get this noise:
OBAMA ADMIN WILL ALLOW AMNESTY RALLY ON NATIONAL MALL DURING GOV'T SHUTDOWN
Even if you're not the one being kicked in the naughty bits here, do understand: this rule by fiat instead of law just means it's not your turn yet.After punishing WWII veterans by arbitrarily denying them access to the WWII memorial, we get this noise:
OBAMA ADMIN WILL ALLOW AMNESTY RALLY ON NATIONAL MALL DURING GOV'T SHUTDOWN
Even if you're not the one being kicked in the naughty bits here, do understand: this rule by fiat instead of law just means it's not your turn yet.

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Taht's odd... (1)

Deadstick (535032) | about a year ago | (#45064307)

...I saw the veterans on TV being allowed in.

Re:Taht's odd... (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about a year ago | (#45065511)

To the WWII Memorial?

It's a speech thing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45069745)

Again, comparing apples and oranges.

It's a speech thing. The rally will involve constitutionally protected speech and the rights to petition the government. Pilgrimages by veterans do not involve any of that.

Re:It's a speech thing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45070297)

Going a bit further with this, the courts have recognized that rallies and public speech holds a unique place in our country's history and in the expression of political speech. These rallies have throughout history been held in public squares and parks... it's been that way since the founding of the country... it's in the blood of our country. And whenever this right is discussed, the phrase "in public" continually occurs.

If public speech is to be done in Washington... if protesting the Federal government is to be done in DC, it must be done on Federal land. Sentiments such as, "well, you can still protest, but do it on private land" would effectively rule out protest in DC. Protest which is not seen by the powers that be does not exist.

Don't get me wrong... I think what Obama is doing to veterans is despicable and I would add these current examples to any articles of impeachment (which would certainly be appropriate in his case). But I will not let my emotions overrule my understandings and advocacies of constitutional principles. I will not water down my rational faculties and philosophies of government in favor of my hatred for Obama.

Re:It's a speech thing (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about a year ago | (#45072157)

BHO is being all stompy-foot. Attempting to argue that water isn't wet is as lame as arguing anonymously.

Re:It's a speech thing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45073207)

I have my reasons for going anonymous, and they are not "lame". I foolishly assumed you welcomed AC's... you CAN set your journal to ban them, you know.

No worries, though. I'll darken your doorstep no further with my particular brand of "lameness".

Re:It's a speech thing (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about a year ago | (#45074773)

I don't dispute the existence of reasons, but you undercut any of your arguments by refusing to stand by them at least with a moniker. We can leave street names out.

Re:It's a speech thing (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about a year ago | (#45072125)

Sweet, sweet ignoring the point.

Re:It's a speech thing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45074377)

OK, one more thing before I bid you "adieu".

Your point here was that Obama is a hypocrite, or had a double standard. Not that he was 'stompy foot'. THAT was your point (which you seem not to realize) and THAT what I addressed.

You're a real piece of work, you know that, right?

Re:It's a speech thing (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about a year ago | (#45074789)

All sinners are pieces of work, saved by Grace. Can't fault your theological point.

disappointed, Smitty. (0)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about a year ago | (#45074573)

Smitty, you're big on honor, and truth and eternal principles.

Has one single WWII veteran been prevented from visiting the memorial since the shutdown began? Were any of the Honor Flight veterans kept from their Memorial? This story about "veterans dropping dead", I understand that it's just a figment of the Right's demonic dishonesty, but I'm surprised to hear it coming from you.

If supporting your agenda requires you to set aside your most cherished principles, maybe you need to think about what you're doing and what you're supporting. Or is it just another case of the Right "lying to achieve a greater good"?

Re:disappointed, Smitty. (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about a year ago | (#45074753)

Has one single WWII veteran been prevented from visiting the memorial since the shutdown began?

Now, are you playing games with the number (it was far higher than one) or pretending that the use of the question mark means that the facts are unclear?

Re:disappointed, Smitty. (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about a year ago | (#45075493)

Now, are you playing games with the number (it was far higher than one)

You are asserting that there were any veterans who were prevented from visiting the memorial?

It's simply not true. Every Honor Flight vet who has gone to Washington DC in the past months has been able to visit the memorial. If you can find any evidence otherwise, please share it.

Re:disappointed, Smitty. (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about a year ago | (#45077273)

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/world-war-ii-veterans-prove-unstoppable-entering-memorial/story?id=20446144 [go.com]

Following the example set on Tuesday by a group of fellow veterans from Mississippi, World War II "honor flights" from Missouri, Illinois and Michigan entered the closed World War II memorial on Wednesday, past a blockade erected because of the government shutdown.

So, I guess if you're going to avert your gaze, and kinda not notice that the National Park Service [washingtontimes.com] has gone full Gestapo.
I suppose this is much ado about nothing, unless it were a Republican administration.

Re:disappointed, Smitty. (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about a year ago | (#45083887)

So wait a minute, where is the story that there were veterans who were unable to visit the Memorial because of the shutdown.

Don't be slippery, Smitty, just point us to the story where there were any veterans who went to DC and then didn't get to see their memorial because of Obama, or the Park Service or anything else.

You made a statement about the veterans "dropping dead" and I'm sorry, but it's not the case. The very first group of veterans who came to the memorial after the shutdown found barricades, moved them aside and saw the memorial. No arrests were made because the Park Service (the ones you call "Nazis") said they were "first amendment assemblies". A group of tea party congress people ran over to get their picture taken "storming the barricades" (after the fact, by the way) and since then no Honor Flight veterans have found the least impediment to their visits.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you and your comrades on the Right are just flat out lying, trying to wave the bloody shirt. Again.

So you still have a chance here, Smitty. Come up with a single credible story about a veteran who did not get to see his monument.

Re:disappointed, Smitty. (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about a year ago | (#45085375)

You've moved the goalposts beautifully.
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