ciscon's Journal: Wiccan?

pikachu_likes_69s joined the room.

apostatebob: hello

pikachu_likes_69s: hi

apostatebob: so, what'd you come in here for?

pikachu_likes_69s: dunno

pikachu_likes_69s: lol

apostatebob: hehe

apostatebob: what religion are you?

pikachu_likes_69s: pagan

pikachu_likes_69s: wicca

apostatebob: ahh, the three-fold theory eh

pikachu_likes_69s: yup

pikachu_likes_69s: u?

apostatebob: hey, have a question for you- what is your explanation of the wiccan rede and it's relationship to farming animals?

apostatebob: I'm an apostate

pikachu_likes_69s: wots that-sounds rude-lol-sorry

apostatebob: apostate? or my question?

pikachu_likes_69s: yeh apostate

apostatebob: One who has abandoned one's religious faith, a political party, one's principles, or a cause

apostatebob: hehe, I get that a lot

pikachu_likes_69s: atheist then? (kinda)

apostatebob: yeah, kind of- but I don't accept the axiom that "the idea of a supreme being is wrong"

pikachu_likes_69s: cool

pikachu_likes_69s: just been in a pentecostal chatroom-funny!!!

apostatebob: hahaha

apostatebob: did they speak in tongues for you?

pikachu_likes_69s: although i shouldnt mock other peoples beliefs-the things they were sayin!

apostatebob: fuck that, this is why we're in this channel- we can do all the mocking we want, and nobody will take it seriously (or shouldn't)

apostatebob: I try to keep it to a philosophical debate though

pikachu_likes_69s: cool-but the rede tells us to respect pther people and their beliefs

pikachu_likes_69s: tells me

apostatebob: yeah I know, doesn't tell me that though

pikachu_likes_69s: thats y i corrected myself

apostatebob: hehe'

pikachu_likes_69s: im not christian or anythin-thats not the way i work-lol-whoops

apostatebob: yeah I know

apostatebob: so, can you answer my question- all of my answers have been unacceptable

pikachu_likes_69s: yeh-wot was the q?

apostatebob: apostatebob: hey, have a question for you- what is your explanation of the wiccan rede and it's relationship to farming animals?

pikachu_likes_69s: i believe over cultivation is wrong-im not really in a position to defend the rede-im only a neophyte

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pikachu_likes_69s: but everything in life has a purpose

pikachu_likes_69s: and they were born to be food-its a ll a cycle in the end anyway

apostatebob: most of your religion is composed of farmers in scottland and europe in general- who did this....

apostatebob: that's what I've always been told... but where do you draw the line?

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pikachu_likes_69s: different people have different views and different interpretations

pikachu_likes_69s: the line drawn isnt a straight one

apostatebob: so would cannibalism be condemned by your religion?

pikachu_likes_69s: in some factions its not no

apostatebob: then your religion isn't exactly universal

pikachu_likes_69s: no-because people arent universal

apostatebob: so what you consider to be "wrong" isn't "wrong" in another circle of the same religion?

pikachu_likes_69s: yeh-basically the main idea is "do what you want and harm none"

pikachu_likes_69s: so i dont believe in cannialism

pikachu_likes_69s: or anything like that

apostatebob: so if you murder someone, it comes back to you three fold- yet if someone else murders someone it may pay them positively three-fold?

pikachu_likes_69s: so because they have done harm-harm will be done to them

apostatebob: but they don't consider it "wrong"

pikachu_likes_69s: you'll have to ask them lol

pikachu_likes_69s: all i no is i wasnt born to eat human meat

pikachu_likes_69s: lol

apostatebob: hehe- but I'm not talking about their beliefs, you say that in some circles it may not be considered wrong, or bad...

pikachu_likes_69s: some circles do not believe in the 3fold laws

pikachu_likes_69s: and they tend to be towards the dark end of magick and ritual

pikachu_likes_69s: because of that

apostatebob: so would you believe that it would come back to them three fold anyways? or do you respect their belief that it won't

pikachu_likes_69s: i respect that they believe wot they believe but i think it will come back to them

apostatebob: in this life or the next?

pikachu_likes_69s: either

pikachu_likes_69s: i believe that souls dont live tho they exist because anything that lives has to die and souls dont die

pikachu_likes_69s: so the question of this life or next doesnt bother me at all

apostatebob: so it will happen to your soul- not your human form

pikachu_likes_69s: yes

apostatebob: does your soul have any effect on what your physical being does? if you have a inherently good soul, will you do good?

pikachu_likes_69s: yes-our bodies are only shells for our souls to act through

pikachu_likes_69s: am i making any sense to you?

apostatebob: so then someone that does good their entire life, from the beginning- would have an inherently good soul

apostatebob: yes

pikachu_likes_69s: cool

pikachu_likes_69s: yes-but there is no such thing as pure good and pure bad

pikachu_likes_69s: no white or black because nature isnt that way

apostatebob: so you're saying that someone that has a "very good" soul- can all of a sudden turn evil without any real decisions to do so, or a "will" if you will?

pikachu_likes_69s: we have free will-if that person wanted to do bad they could

apostatebob: but what if they didn't, what if they just did bad- for reasons other than the will to do so

pikachu_likes_69s: sorry-rephrase that...

pikachu_likes_69s: u mean they were forced to do bad?

pikachu_likes_69s: *if they were

apostatebob: okay- say I don't will to do bad, but I do bad anyways... not forced- okay you want an example?

pikachu_likes_69s: yeh sure

apostatebob: say I get into an automobile accident and it results in massive brain hemoraging- after this point I am clinically insane... I have no perception of right, wrong.. reality, unreality

apostatebob: and I go around and kill hundreds of people- why does my soul not influence my actions once free-will is removed from the equation

pikachu_likes_69s: sorry-wait amo-tryin to do sumin else at same time

apostatebob: k

pikachu_likes_69s: as i said-our bodies are only shells

pikachu_likes_69s: or souls see out through our bodies eyes

apostatebob: so, the souls don't actually effect what we do...

pikachu_likes_69s: no-but if we are seeing things through effected eyes then we have different pereptions of right and wrong

apostatebob: so, then would the person's actions effect the soul good or bad? say that the persons sees what they are doing as right-

pikachu_likes_69s: our souls arent accountable to flaws in a bodies mind and action-just like insane people in cournt cant be tried lke normal people

apostatebob: so, someone who has convinced themselves (their bodies) that muder is right, will not be effected?

pikachu_likes_69s: a soul knows for itself ultimately what is right and wrong

pikachu_likes_69s: cant convince itself otherwise

apostatebob: so, then it would come back to the soul negatively... even though the person did think that it was right?

pikachu_likes_69s: ur good at this lol

apostatebob: hehe

apostatebob: you see, there are inherent flaws and contradictions in your belief system

apostatebob: of course now is when you tell me "it's true to you"