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VOTING: Prop #00: The Rules

TheSandBox (743088) writes | more than 10 years ago

User Journal 55

EDIT: Voting will remain open until more member nations have cast their vote. Currently only 33 votes have been cast out of 81 member nations.

According to the provisions of the proposed rules, voting shall remain open for a period of no less than 3 days and require 3/4 of votes from all members of The Back Yard and approval by The Empress to be The Rules of The Back Yard.

EDIT: Voting will remain open until more member nations have cast their vote. Currently only 33 votes have been cast out of 81 member nations.

According to the provisions of the proposed rules, voting shall remain open for a period of no less than 3 days and require 3/4 of votes from all members of The Back Yard and approval by The Empress to be The Rules of The Back Yard.

I will perform the Roll Call for this initial vote. I realize several people have already voted in the discussion JE, sorry for the confusion. I felt obligated to allow for debate, seperate from voting, in case there were objections to any of the previsions in the proposal.

Since no objects were raised, regarding the amended version of The Rules...

Voting will proceed according to Section 2 Articles 1, 9 & 13 which can be generalized as the following:

  • One vote per person using logged in slashdot user accounts. Please only one post per person in this journal.
  • Vote with "yes" or "no" or any variation that adhears to your local customs.
  • Insert a link to your nation on nationstates.net to aid in verifying membership in The Back Yard
  • 3/4 of all members of the region must vote in favor of the proposal for The Rules to be ratified.
  • Voting will end when a) all votes are cast, b) voting time expires c) 3/4 of the members in The Back Yard have voted for the proposal d) Jan 27th ~ 17:15 Pacific / 1:15 (Jan28) GMT
  • El Jefe de Caffeinastan

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Yes (nm) (1)

turg (19864) | more than 10 years ago | (#8078301)

nm

Re:Yes (nm) (1)

TheSandBox (743088) | more than 10 years ago | (#8078786)

Would you mind using a link to the Nation you represent in the vote? That way I can verify which Nation has voted. Thanks. El Jefe de Caffeinastan jason

Re:Yes (nm) (1)

turg (19864) | more than 10 years ago | (#8082900)

Turgkey votes yes [nationstates.net]

Aye (1)

LPetrazickis (557952) | more than 10 years ago | (#8078318)

Aye, I poke you in the Eye.

Re:Aye (1)

TheSandBox (743088) | more than 10 years ago | (#8078798)

Would you mind using a link to the Nation you represent in the vote? That way I can verify which Nation has voted. Thanks.

El Jefe de Caffeinastan
jason

Sure thing, buddy! (1)

sebi (152185) | more than 10 years ago | (#8078621)

(a.k.a. Yes!), says the Supreme Leader of The Awesomely Awesome Republic of Beerolution [nationstates.net] .

Si (1)

gmhowell (26755) | more than 10 years ago | (#8079129)

Jawohl, mein Herr! [nationstates.net]

Mmm... mmhmm... lower, lower... that's right.... (1)

bethanie (675210) | more than 10 years ago | (#8079661)

Yes, yes, yes..... YEEESSSSSSS!!!

Oh... excuse me. We're voting now. Well... same answer stands.

....Bethanie....
Dominatrix of Lubriscia [nationstates.net]

Re:Mmm... mmhmm... lower, lower... that's right... (1)

robi2106 (464558) | more than 10 years ago | (#8079860)

Oh my...

I'm sorry, but only one of your "yeses" will apply towards a vote. But if you like, I can underline it when I tally up The Roll Call.

El Jefe de Caffeinastan
jason

Re:Mmm... mmhmm... lower, lower... that's right... (1)

Iamthefallen (523816) | more than 10 years ago | (#8081268)

Opportunitys [nationstates.net] votes whatever Lubriscia's voting. Is it just me or is it hot in here?

Qingwa votes yes (1)

Eye of the Frog (152749) | more than 10 years ago | (#8079664)

The Borderlands of Qingwa [nationstates.net] vote yes.

Aye (1)

GMontag (42283) | more than 10 years ago | (#8080020)

Bootieville [nationstates.net] responds in the affirmative.

Aye on #00 (1)

BlackHat (67036) | more than 10 years ago | (#8080140)

So sayith the mad hatmen [and balmy bonnetbabes] of Tahkcalb [nationstates.net]

Aye! (1)

MonTemplar (174120) | more than 10 years ago | (#8080315)

Thus spake Redunser [nationstates.net] .

-MT.

Eh (1)

Cyberdyne (104305) | more than 10 years ago | (#8080455)

Upper Freeland votes "yes, eh" due to an influx of Canadian immigrants.

Dahlink (1)

Ethelred Unraed (32954) | more than 10 years ago | (#8082309)

The Oppressed Peoples of Tempopedestria [nationstates.net] and the Kingdom of Ethelredia [nationstates.net] offer their sincere condolences at the Canuck invasion, and would like to offer a crack troop of Spiny Normans to drive them out.

Oh, and as for the rules, da, dahlink.

Yours,

Father Knows Best Socialist Dictator

Re:Eh (1)

TheSandBox (743088) | more than 10 years ago | (#8102815)

Would you mind posting a link to your Nation's nationstate.net account so that Roll Call may be counted? Thanks. El Jefe de Caffeinastan jason

Re:Eh (1)

Cyberdyne (104305) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103993)

One linky thingy [nationstates.net] , as requested ;-)

The delegate from Icicleia... (1)

daoine (123140) | more than 10 years ago | (#8081346)

...votes "yuppers"

Yes (1)

Patik (584959) | more than 10 years ago | (#8081714)

wfijefijeofjewfw [nationstates.net]

nay (1)

Abm0raz (668337) | more than 10 years ago | (#8082649)

Just because nothing should ever be unanimous.

-Ab

Re:nay (1)

TheSandBox (743088) | more than 10 years ago | (#8102761)

Dissent has been registered [slashdot.org] such that the vote is not unamious. You may change your vote if this is your only objection to Prop #00.

El Jefe de Caffeinastan
jason

Re:nay (1)

TheSandBox (743088) | more than 10 years ago | (#8102850)

Would you mind posting a link to your Nation's nationstate.net account so that Roll Call may be counted? For te negative or positive, should it change. Thanks.

El Jefe de Caffeinastan
jason

Re:nay (1)

Abm0raz (668337) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103014)

yes, I do mind. Nothing can be unanimous, man! Fight the monopoly! Fight the power! Fight the dictatorship! Fight the incompetance that is me own inability to EVER get an a=href tag right ... EVER!

I am, however, so vain (or unoriginal) that my country is named after me: The Grand Duchy of Abmoraz.

-Ab

yes (1)

FirstNoel (113932) | more than 10 years ago | (#8083071)

Noelopolis [nationstates.net]

Sean D.
Grand Inquisitor of Noelopolis

Seregel (1)

elmegil (12001) | more than 10 years ago | (#8084841)

Seregel [nationstates.net] Votes Yes.

DaShizzle votes... (1)

drakaan (688386) | more than 10 years ago | (#8085330)

We [nationstates.net] (the most politically free Nation in the BackYard) vote "yes".

We vote yes (1)

TechnoLust (528463) | more than 10 years ago | (#8087309)

In regards to Prop #00, TechnoLust, the leader of The Holy Republic of TechnoLustia [nationstates.net] votes "Aye", partly because it is the consensus of his peoples, but mostly because it pleases him and Her Graceful Beauty, the Lady Boo.

yes (1)

dragoncortez (603226) | more than 10 years ago | (#8088117)

Lagartija [nationstates.net] votes in the affirmative. :)

Negatory, tower! (1)

Safety Cap (253500) | more than 10 years ago | (#8090018)

Safetonia [nationstates.net] rejects the proposal!

Specifically [slashdot.org] Article 4, Section I; Article 10 and 11, Section II, which we motion to hereinafter refer to as the "Granting of Slashdot Editor-like Powers acts"

The brave citizens of Safetonia, having weathered the evil Editors in this realm, do not willingly install another in the other!

Re:Negatory, tower! (1)

turg (19864) | more than 10 years ago | (#8090740)

These are powers granted to the region's founder by the rules of the game, er... I mean... the natural laws of our universe. Rewriting the rules to make them differ from reality would not be useful.

Re:Negatory, tower! (1)

Safety Cap (253500) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103569)

Because something can be done, doesn't mean it should be.

I object to the fact that there will be no debate, no recourse for someone getting kicked out. I understand that SD's power is a function of the programmer, but it doesn't mean that we can't agree that there must be some kind of vote or discussion before banishment. If SD chooses to be a tyrant (def #1 [reference.com] ), then what is to stop her?

If SD's power is an absolute and cannot be changed, why codify it? That's like passing a law that says, "Anyone who jumps out of a tall building must plummit to the ground."

Re:Negatory, tower! (1)

turg (19864) | more than 10 years ago | (#8111619)

If SD chooses to be a tyrant then what is to stop her?

I'm confused. Wasn't that the point I was making?

If you don't trust the region founder to not become a tyrant (and you'd be upset if they did), you shouldn't join their region (or just be prepared to abandon it, I guess).

If SD's power is an absolute and cannot be changed, why codify it?

The same could be asked of many of these rules (e.g. those describing the nature of the UN). I think the point is to make sure there are no surprises

Re:Negatory, tower! (1)

TheSandBox (743088) | more than 10 years ago | (#8102730)

Reference previous reply to your message by Turg here. [slashdot.org]

Section 1: Article 4 is part of the setup of the NationStates.net game and cannot be changed, period. We have no authority or ability to change this property of the game.

Section 2: Articles 10 & 11 is no different than the Presidential or Prime minister veto powers found in modern democratic societies and is a check & balance against domination of The Back Yard by a vocal and active minority or majority of regional members.

If you would like to reconsider your vote, I can change it if you post again with your new vote. Otherwise, I understand your argument and will not change your vote.

El Jefe de Caffeinastan
jason

Re:Negatory, tower! (1)

Safety Cap (253500) | more than 10 years ago | (#8103770)

Thank you. I do not change my vote.

I disagree with your reference for 2, article 10 & 11, as Presidents/PMs are all electable. SD is not electable, therefore her power is absolute and corruptable. By putting in a "check and balance" to her power, will limit spur-of-the-moment decisions/banishments that will hopefully induce thinking about consequences and reprocussions of those decisions.

Now, because she has the power to crush anyone, she still can, but if is "against the rules" the consequence of her ignoring the rules will be that all other rules will lose power and legitimacy.

We haven't spoken with her, so I don't know what she'd say, but if she wanted to kick someone or ban a law for a legitimate reason, why would it come out different in a vote? Can't other members have any say at all?

Re:Negatory, tower! (1)

TheSandBox (743088) | more than 10 years ago | (#8194011)

This is a very valid concern. It's also one which i have considered at great length and not arrived at any real resolution regarding. I came into this with an extra expectation- that i will be held accountable for my actions, since you could very well form your own region without me. It's true that this is an aspect of the game that i don't know what to do with; i simply assume that deposing me by moving out en masse would be something that you wouldn't hesitate to do, and as such, i expect to have to justify any banishments, etc. Or if there is clear unanimous support for a law, I expect to have to make one HELL of a case for not ratifying it.

Unfortunately, that's as far as i've gotten with working it out. There should be some middle ground, but i haven't come up with it yet.

solemndragon, Ruler of the most holy empire of Solemndragon's chosen... [nationstates.net]

Roome says "Yes" (1)

DoNotTauntHappyFunBa (592447) | more than 10 years ago | (#8090380)

Roome [nationstates.net] says "Yes."

Affirmative (1)

Dannon (142147) | more than 10 years ago | (#8096860)

The Free Land of Dannonia [nationstates.net] votes in favor of these rules for voting.

Aye (1)

Liora (565268) | more than 10 years ago | (#8101955)

Yep, an aye from us.

Re:Aye (1)

TheSandBox (743088) | more than 10 years ago | (#8102528)

Would you mind including a link to your Nation's NationStates.net page to aid in the Roll Call? Thanks. El Jefe de Caffeinastan jason

Too late, I think, but Yes (1)

Sloppy (14984) | more than 10 years ago | (#8113235)

Zapitronia's referendum was delayed by the election committee all being out of the country. But once they ran out of money and their credit lines fell back to below $3k, they returned and counted the votes. The people have authorized me to vote Yes on the proposal.

Sloppy, President of Zapitronia

vote (1)

PreviouslySeen (714752) | more than 10 years ago | (#8116557)

yes!
http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/targ et=display_nation/nation=previouslyseen

Yarrrgggh! (1)

asparagus (29121) | more than 10 years ago | (#8132330)

(yes...we be a pirate nation [nationstates.net] .)

No. (1)

Acidic_Diarrhea (641390) | more than 10 years ago | (#8162587)

I vote No [nationstates.net]

If voting's still on... (1)

Dave2 Wickham (600202) | more than 10 years ago | (#8168609)

Yes [nationstates.net]

Aye (1)

pythorlh (236755) | more than 10 years ago | (#8218560)

Of course... it seems the Aye's have it, already.

Why the hell not? (1)

ellem (147712) | more than 10 years ago | (#8221227)

http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/targ et=display_nation/nation=ordo_templis_orientis
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