Journal Chacham's Journal: News: Gender of minor decides jailtime for adult 24
Just loaded with stories. Fox News has an article mentioning a Kansas law that discriminates on the gender of a minor in a consensual relationship. "Limon could have received a much lighter sentence had he or the 14-year-old boy, identified only as M.A.R, been female because a 1999 statute, known as the "Romeo and Juliet" law, provides lesser penalties". Isn't that discrimination?
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Yes. Just like me only being able to marry a woman, or the two of us refusing to let anyone else have sex with either of us.
But it's not wrongful discrimination. We have a right to discriminate, as embodied in, IIRC, the First Amendment.
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That doesn't bar actions (does it?). It's just recognition by the state. A person can still be with more than one person.
We have a right to discriminate
True. But can the state give different amount of jailtime for what seems to be the same crime? The only difference her is gender. And not that one is a specific gender, but whether they are *both* the same or not.
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Your statement makes No sense, especiualy when put in the context of the world we live in - where knives guns and cars are often used as weapons to hurt/kill someone. How is a woman less of a physical threat to society? A woman can pick up a gun and kill someone just as easily as a man.
Also, jailtime, and punishments in general, are about the crime commited, and punishment for that crime, as well as being about what sort of threat the person poses to the community. The punishment should fit the c
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As for your last comment, are we talking about justice or vengance?
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As for violent crimes - your statement was that women aren't as much of a threat physically to society. A physical threat is a violent threat, hence violent crime in my examples.
If you want to talk about punishments for non violent crimes, then don't
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That people receive jailtime for non-viloent acts means that I can't avoid it.
Anyway, your original post was relating to a "sex crime", not murder or whatever. In this case I would assume that a man would be considered more agressive and a woman less so. Without other evidence, I would expect a man who has committed a sex-related crime to be more likely to be a physical risk to the community than a woman
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To quote my original post:
"got assaulted/taken-advantage-of-sexualy/killed,"
Note that this was in the LAST paragraph of my post, and earlier in my post I mention "hurt/kill". '/' means 'and or'
Maybe you should pay more attention.
Secondly, there are MANY crimes that contain no violence at all, and to muddy the waters by claiming that 'most' crimes contain some vio
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Well, i would say acting upon it is a good thing. However, judging upon it is a bad thing, unless it is stringency, to rid it, or leniency, to understand it. But not to be cautious because of it, would simply be silly.
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BTW, interesting argument.
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Caution is another thing entirely, but even it can be dangerous if done for the wrong reasons. Life is not a game of statistics, and to be cautious based upon a statistic itself without a fuller understanding of the hows and whys of the issue at hand can lead to very bad things.
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That could be. However, if a statistic shows that a certain group steals more, placing more policemen in that area is a good thing. Spreading them around the city is useless. There should be some everywhere, but we need to be cautious where statistics tells us to look out. Of course the numbers must be reviewed again and aga
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An example I would give is middletown Ohio - which used to be the central hub of Armco, a now defunct steel company. Crime rates are
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Sometimes the cause may just be historical - the area is bad, people born and raised there are in that bad area and thus are exposed to crime and not presented with other opportunities. Perhaps it's just jobs - the lack of them, which started a downward spiral. Cities give tax breaks to attract employers all the time - so why not give such breaks where they could do the most good?
First many disagree with tax breaks. So, extending it would be met with much resistance. Also, the tax breaks are
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For the same crime executed in the same way, sentences should be the same. However, since how a crime is committed is often taken into consideration I wouldn't not
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That is an interesting, and again completely off-base statement that had nothing to do with the debate.
Let Me boil it down:
- Jail time for violent or non violent crime is Not the issue that was being debated - discrimination was.
- Who You consider a risk to the community Was a point of contention, since you stated that women were less of one, and should get less jail time.
- your third point actually makes very little sense - again, the idea
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This is definately the prob
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When it's a punishment, the punishment fits the crime, not the individual. When it's a prevention, it matches the individual, not the crime. This can also be seen at the end of a jail term. If the offender will ostensibly do it again upon release, the prevention would have to continue past the end of his term, where as if it is a punishment, the offender must be let free anywa
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Unfortunatly, I don't think you can legaly (in the US) have the sort of sentencing you describe Chacham - even if the sentences were different due to an individual judge's similar belief, or
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The distinction is that in the original, you were making a personal statement of belief and used the word Should - in the corrected version, and you later arguments, you instead are saying that you agree with the actuality of the situation and can understand it. These are two very different things - akin to:
A) I think everyone with green eyes should be punched in the face.
and
B) I see that peop
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Actually, I think jail time is punishment And prevention
Yeah, yeah. But i think your arguments were based more on one of them, if only to counteract his statements.
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