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Update on the March of Progress: How Slashdot's New Look Is Shaping Up

slashdotblog (2739829) writes | about 9 months ago

User Journal 237

In the weeks to come, you'll see Slashdot's ongoing redesign picking up several of the vital features that the
long beta period has been used to craft, as a new, cleaner look is implemented by default for more readers: quite a few of those "coming soon" info bubbles are finally being swapped out for genuine functioning tools that mean improved interfaces for some vital tasks and settings. Of note, since the last time we noted the progress in this blog, these features include:

  • A functioning moderation system
  • Comment filtering and threshold setting
  • Account sign-up
  • Password recovery (for when the inevitable happens)
  • Further improvements to responsive design, and general UI cleanup, as rendering and other kinks get straightened out thanks to your ongoing feedback

By the end of the month, we aim to have in place profile update, newsletter signup, and even more UI cleanup and assorted big fixes!

Watch this space for more details; for most readers, we hope that the elements we've redesigned mean a page that's gentler on the eyes, and has controls that are fewer, more useful, and easier to manipulate. Your feedback is very valuable to us during this redesign, so please tell us if you run into things that don't work for you on Slashdot Beta. If you would like to keep track of the latest updates for Beta, what's in it so far and what's in progress, bookmark our Beta News page, where the evolution is being chronicled.

In the weeks to come, you'll see Slashdot's ongoing redesign picking up several of the vital features that the
long beta period has been used to craft, as a new, cleaner look is implemented by default for more readers: quite a few of those "coming soon" info bubbles are finally being swapped out for genuine functioning tools that mean improved interfaces for some vital tasks and settings. Of note, since the last time we noted the progress in this blog, these features include:

  • A functioning moderation system
  • Comment filtering and threshold setting
  • Account sign-up
  • Password recovery (for when the inevitable happens)
  • Further improvements to responsive design, and general UI cleanup, as rendering and other kinks get straightened out thanks to your ongoing feedback

By the end of the month, we aim to have in place profile update, newsletter signup, and even more UI cleanup and assorted big fixes!

Watch this space for more details; for most readers, we hope that the elements we've redesigned mean a page that's gentler on the eyes, and has controls that are fewer, more useful, and easier to manipulate. Your feedback is very valuable to us during this redesign, so please tell us if you run into things that don't work for you on Slashdot Beta. If you would like to keep track of the latest updates for Beta, what's in it so far and what's in progress, bookmark our Beta News page, where the evolution is being chronicled.

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Ugly (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46143425)

as hell.

Plus how do I reply to the um- article? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46164113)

Plus what happened to condensing comments so
you could see the flow without following
everyones minutae? And how does it work with
javascript turned off?

Oh well, I understand all too well the pull to
redo user interfaces just for the sheer cussedness
of making people change, since I've done it
myself.

Every single comment here is negative! (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46167577)

I've looked at probably 50 of the comments posted here so far, and EACH AND EVERY COMMENT ABOUT THE BETA SITE IS NEGATIVE!

It's unbelievable. After 17 years of professional web development, for small clients and large, I have NEVER seen such a uniformly negative response to a web site redesign.

Even in the worst disasters I've seen so far, at least a few people had something positive to say. I don't see any of that here.

We all know that the Slashdot beta is utter crap in every possible way. The totally hateful comments here just reinforce this very real fact.

I hope that those running Slashdot these days wake the hell up. This beta site was a disaster to begin with, but it's just getting worse. This blog post should have been announcing an end to the beta project, and apologizing to the community at large for this whole debacle.

I'm hearing the community feedback loud and clear: THE SLASHDOT BETA PROJECT NEEDS TO BE CANCELED, THE SLASHDOT BETA WEB SITE NEEDS TO BE THROWN AWAY, AND AN APOLOGY SHOULD BE GIVEN TO THE COMMUNITY FOR SUBJECTING US TO THIS TOTAL NONSENSE FOR A MONTH NOW. I hope that those at Slashdot running this project hear the same.

We have a term for projects like this (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46168219)

It's called a Death March...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_march_(project_management)

If it keeps getting pushed forward it could actually be the end of Slashdot.

How stupid are you stupid fuckers at dice? (1, Flamebait)

glavenoid (636808) | about 8 months ago | (#46168333)

THIS ISN'T PROGRESS YOU STUPID FUCKERS

How can you all be so stupid so as to ignore your users? There is not a single redeeming feature for those of us who have been here for all this while.

Oh, and I have to put a title for my comment? How stupid are you stupid fuckers at dice?

Re: How stupid are you stupid fuckers at dice? (3, Insightful)

buswolley (591500) | about 8 months ago | (#46168479)

NO ONE WANTS it. no one wants it Really. just stop

Someone mod that guy up. (2)

mcgrew (92797) | about 8 months ago | (#46168751)

It's my belief that Dice bought slashdot to kill it. When they take classic away I'm gone, and I've been here since it was new.

I'm trying to figure out why they want to kill it, but it's obvious they do.

Sad day.

Wow, double creepy! (1)

drussell (132373) | about 8 months ago | (#46168005)

It filed my comment under another comment called "Ummm.. How do I respond to the comment"... I hadn't read that, nor did I intend tl respond to that... It did it all by itself. IF YOU DON'T TURN THIS CRAP OFF... And I mean, !!RSN!!, I'm never coming back... Sincerely, long-time-slashdot-uset

Do NOT start second guessing what I'm replying to or sticking words in my mouth!!! FFS!! I will not post here again without an apology, this kind of crap should actually be illegal, IMHO... DO NOT MAKE IT LOOK LIKE I'M REPLYING TO SOMEHING I'M NOT!! WTF?!

Neat, editing doesn't even work (1)

drussell (132373) | about 8 months ago | (#46168139)

Sweet... Even after I fixed all of my typos in the preview pane, it posted my previous preview... Stellar work, /.

I had re-worded a few things, but it basically reads correctly if you substitute ..to..user..something... WTF, guys??!... No Dice... I'm outta here.. :( Sad... So very, VERY sad... :(

Feedback (5, Insightful)

submain (856941) | about 9 months ago | (#46164487)

The pros:
- Fluid layout is an improvement from the previous beta
- The page does have less "noise" than classic

The cons:
- Could not find a "reply" button for the main article. After looking it for a whooping 5 seconds, I gave up and replied to the first post instead.
- Fonts are terribly inconsistent
- Fonts have excessive hinting artifacts, specially bolds and the title bar.
Judging by the "donâ(TM)t" in the post, unicode support (or something like it) seems to be lacking
- As pointed in other comments, there is no contrast between the title of article/comments and their contents. That made things easy to follow on classic, and IMHO should still remain.
- Why such long padding at the page edges?

Agree (2)

Quantum gravity (2576857) | about 9 months ago | (#46166229)

I agree. The consequence of odd fonts and excessive padding is less information per page, and you end up scrolling a lot more than with the old design. Another con:
- I find gray text slightly harder to read. Why is text gray and not black? Probably to distinguish a comment from its title which is black.

I'll miss slashdot (1)

mcgrew (92797) | about 8 months ago | (#46168801)

Why such long padding at the page edges?

Because nobody there knows jack shit about design, that's why. And your list doesn't even begin to start with all the things wrong with it. I wonder if the first sentence in this comment is italics? If not, it is no longer a nerd site and I no longer belong here.

This is horrible (5, Insightful)

Wizy (38347) | about 9 months ago | (#46164513)

Since I can't find any other way to reply to this post I will have to reply to the first post. I wanted to make my own reply, good luck finding that.

I have my slashdot working as it has for many years. Your "classic" is my "great". I have the oldest comment system possible and it is wonderful and works amazingly. This new beta is amazingly bad. It does not look better, and it is definitely not as usable. It's not even close to as user friendly as Slashdot from 10 years ago.

Why are you completely ignoring the userbase? Nobody wants this.

Unusable On Safari and Firefox on my MBP (1)

Kalium70 (3437049) | about 9 months ago | (#46164977)

With Safari, in the upper left there is a menu icon. Clicking on the menu icon produces choices like Beta News, Events, and Tech Jobs, but clicking on any of those options just takes me back to the main page. The items that should run down the right hand side of the page, with "Give Feedback on Slashdot Beta", polls, and such are simply missing. The interface looks slightly different with Firefox, but the purple menu tends to hover over the Login text in the upper right, making it difficult to log in.

forced changes for no gains (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46164553)

the only reason slashdot was good, was because it was literally a classic website.
now that it's gone, there is nothing left here.
so long, and thanks for all the trolls.

Yup. (1)

game kid (805301) | about 8 months ago | (#46166697)

No one (not even me) likes this.

No one (not even me) wants this.

No one (not even me) needs this.

No aspect of this beta addresses any actual problems (like unicode support, or giant spam comments that get modded up a point for being Long Comments) with the current site.

Every aspect of this beta would add actual problems to the current site.

This is not feedback, this is a warning: Don't let the beta happen.

Amen! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46167701)

Crappy design. The dumb run to make everything white pages, makes it impossible to find to use this thing. Had to reply to someone else to be able to reply.

I do not use mobile.slashdot for the same reason.

Dumb dumb dumb

Re:forced changes for no gains (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46167505)

the only reason slashdot was good, was because it was literally a classic website.
now that it's gone, there is nothing left here.
so long, and thanks for all the trolls.

It isn't set in stone yet, my dear dumbass. Sure, I hate the beta as much as the next guy, but at least stick around for a while to just see what the final version will be.

No real reason to hope, TBH (2)

TheSeatOfMyPants (2645007) | about 8 months ago | (#46168929)

"...at least stick around for a while to just see what the final version will be."

They've been working (and receiving near-universal negative feedback) on the Beta for *months* with no sign that they're paying a lick of attention to feedback. Also, website "beta-testing" is, by nature,effectively just a test of the final version under a full load so they can fix any remaining critical bugs.

Are you trolling us? (2)

SoonerPet (893902) | about 9 months ago | (#46165131)

I can't agree more. This is the worst crap I've ever seen. I've been coming to slashdot viewing stories for a decade, I never saw any issues with the classic design. This is just pure change for the sake of change. The sites I tend to read and stick to the most are very simple and minimal like the classic slashdot, reddit etc.. If I wanted some pretty over-designd blog I'd go over to any of the hideous Gawker sites or AOL news. I was part of the digg community when they made their huge sweeping design change, I was also part of the exodus because of it. Don't follow this path. I do know I won't be in the minority based on these comments, if slashdot forces this change, it won't be my daily news source anymore, it's too hard on the eyes. Go back to classic and leave it be, abandon this idiotic folly.

Where to now? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46166933)

Given that this abomination is going to be forced ahead regardless, where is the next best site for news and more importantly the comments and discussions? I haven't needed to explore any yet but I think the time is definitely coming. Where should I be looking - Digg? reddit?

Fsk off with requiring a topic (1)

Mashiki (184564) | about 8 months ago | (#46168027)

Well that's what I'm wondering. Plus the moderation settings don't work either. In theory AC, I shouldn't be able to see you but I can.

Re:Where to now? (1)

drussell (132373) | about 8 months ago | (#46168241)

Hear, here!! Where to go now??! I've grown tired of this constant garbage.. . Does anyone happen to have a copy of all the backend splizz for ./ from about, say, 10-15 years ago? That would make a sweet website... :) I'll volunteer servers to host it!

Worst UI ever seen (5, Insightful)

martino87r (2612857) | about 9 months ago | (#46165157)

This is by far the worst UI design I've seen... The value of slashdot comes from user comments and making the new comment interface such a piece of crap, you're actually telling your users (or should I say "customers"?) to avoid using it. I myself cannot find a way to post a comment to the article, so I'm commenting on the first one, second the line spacing wastes crapton of space, the filtering option only hides the comments without eventually displaying the headline. The density of information decreased to such point that I don't want to read comments anymore, meaning that slashdot for me turned into another useless website that I should remove from my favorites. The main page looks terribly unorganized, before I could see 2/3 articles, now I barely see half of one and the space is just wasted for useless pictures and padding. If you want to improve it, then improve the information density and renew the design, but this is the wrong way of doing it. At least give the option to switch back

In some ways... (1)

coastwalker (307620) | about 9 months ago | (#46165987)

I dont mind UI refreshes but I think that it will dumb down the discourse if the information density is decreased too much. But we live in an era where most of the audience growth is thought to be on mobile interfaces. The web is changing.

Re:In some ways... (1)

steveg (55825) | about 8 months ago | (#46166821)

There are some times I read Slashdot on a mobile device. There is *never* a time when I read Slashdot (or any other site) using a site "optimized" for mobile.

If you want to generate a site that you think is better for mobile, have at it, but please give me the option to always load the desktop site. This is true everwhere on the Net, not just Slashdot. I have never seen a mobile site that was worth spit.

Ever.

Incidently, I was unable to leave a comment at all on the beta site, I had to force it back to classic before the comment could be submited. Maybe it's because javascript is disabled.

Complete usability FAIL. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46165163)

The MORONS who designed this new site have NO CLUE about usability of a discussion forum.

The right navigation rail is just STUPID. Threads with lots of nesting get squashed into tiny little boxes so that only one or two words are printable before a line break. HELLO MCFLY - THAT'S FUCKING STUPID.

Ugly (2)

ultranova (717540) | about 9 months ago | (#46165249)

It's not just that it's "ugly", it's that the washed-out colors make it hard on eyes. At the same time the damn margins around everything - except between paragraphs, because of course the one place where they would help readability doesn't get any - make the page sparse, the combination of which perfectly captures the "ghost town" feeling.

Extra credit for the damn bar on top of the page which follows you around and you scroll, effectively shrinking the window. It works beautifully to augment the margin problem.

I'm sorry, but I just don't get what you're trying to do here. Slashdot is the cranky old grandpa of Internet forums; you're not going to get back the good old days of Slashdot Effect again no matter how hip you're trying to be, you're just going to look ridiculous and alienate the rest of the users.

Intentionally Bad Commenting System? (1)

enter to exit (1049190) | about 9 months ago | (#46165851)

>The colour scheme hurts my eyes - it's too shiny.

>The condensed comments are gone.

>So much waster space, the padding on everything is too big, margins are uselessly large. As the user scrolls down, the comment boxes get to ridiculously small proportions.

> There is no reply button. Are you trying to reduce discussion?

If you're trying to underemphasis the comments (the only worthwhile thing here) you're going to have to do better editorial work. Hacker News posts articles weeks before you do.

Pride goeth before a fail (1)

Knightman (142928) | about 9 months ago | (#46166309)

It seems everyone unanimously dislikes the beta. It's looks like some newly minted web-hack with no clue on usability or ergonomics designed it.

As other people have pointed out, the information density is extremely low and there are hardly any visual cues to tie the information flow together. It's HARD to read the site.

I guess it will be rolled out looking like this regardless of the given critique and proclaimed to be "a huge success" since someone has put his (or hers) pride on the line.

I tend to gravitate towards sites that are lightweight; ie. no flashy ui's, so when the classic look is retired I'll stop reading slashdot too.

Maybe we all should mail mailto:feedback@slashdot.org?s... [mailto] as the post says with our concerns...

Fucking comment titles are yet another stupid idea (2)

glavenoid (636808) | about 8 months ago | (#46168391)

Agreed about the feedback email. I already sent mine. Everyone should as well.

Every. single. thing. about this beta is a massive step backwards. The stupid fuckers at dice don't understand that the community and the commentary **are** the content at slashdot. That is the only reason anyone comes here. Ruin that and there is nothing, NOTHING left.

Don't do it! (2)

TheBiGW (982686) | about 9 months ago | (#46166357)

Can't post a new comment so I'll reply instead. I agree with everyone else here. The new site is absolutely awful. Too much white space. Too much scrolling. It looks ugly with about 9 different types of font used. The comments section is now very difficult to read. The stories cut off after like 5 lines. I have been a long time user of /. and love it the way it is. I've noticed the decline over the years as has everyone else. But if this 'new' site becomes the main site and you take away Classic I will leave for pastures new. Sorry guys - don't do it!

Where's the reply button??? (1)

Sharkyfour (14327) | about 9 months ago | (#46166555)

Seriously?? Where's the reply button?

I had pretty much left the site a while ago, and this change is going to push me to never return. This place really hasn't been the same since Taco left. What's a good alternative?

terrible (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46166705)

this design is terrible. please keep the old design.

What??? Black and white. (2)

emacs_abuser (140283) | about 8 months ago | (#46166753)

Holy crap, the background isn't white and the text isn't black. What the hell is that supposed to accomplish?

Hint, contrast, we need it. Maximum contrast comes from using white and black. This is basic stuff!

First page, not even close (1)

emacs_abuser (140283) | about 8 months ago | (#46166799)

The first page, Ie. the list of articles has strayed even further from it's logical purpose.

Hey, give me a list so I can see if there is something here I'm interested in. That would be 1 line per subject, at the very most 2 lines. The days of being concise have apparently passed.

Bad, very bad, and ugly, very ugly (1)

clubby (1144121) | about 8 months ago | (#46167259)

You know how all the feedback is negative, except for one or two mild approvals? Please pay attention to that ratio. I just messed with my AdBlock Plus filters to block ads displayed via Slashdot. I'm not sure I got it 100% right, but I'm quite certain I'll get there before your "beta" approaches usability. I'll go back to allowing your ads when I've heard definitive confirmation of the termination of this project. I'm not saying you can't try again, I'm just saying that what you've got so far is broken beyond repair, and cannot be salvaged. Start over. Or don't; the Classic site is just fine. Seriously, kill this off. First with bullets, then with knives, then with acid, then with fire, then with a leaf blower to scatter this disaster harmlessly in the wind.

Where's the option to comment on the article? (1)

Anaerin (905998) | about 8 months ago | (#46167415)

There's so many things wrong here, so I tried to fix it. My fixes are published in a Userstyle for Stylish and Chrome here [userstyles.org]

If the side rail was in the source code before the main content, I could float it properly so the article and comments expand to use the empty space underneath. Unfortunately, it's not, so you'll have to make do with the dead space. Sorry.

If you want to contact me about this fix, feel free to do so. I should be contactable through here, or you can find my e-mail address in the linked userstyle.

New Look? Leave the Classic! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46167539)

Please leave the classic up, or at least as an option. The new look is very hard to adjust to... Thanks.

WOW, WTF??! (1)

drussell (132373) | about 8 months ago | (#46167959)

I guess I have to 'reply' here to the first post as I can't for the life of me find a 'post' new comment option, although that is probably by design... I had to hunt around several times just to find this thread again to to reply to after logging in! What utter trash! I'm absolutely speechless... Really, guys? What are you smoking??! I can't find anything on a page, it's hard to read, good Lord, there's about a hundred problems with this crap... Send me a private e-mail or use the good ol' telephone and I'll tell you, dear /., EXACTLY what you're doing wrong... WOW, way to kill something that used to be useful.... grrr

STOP THIS MADNESS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46167997)

please

Nobody asked for new and improved Tide. (3, Insightful)

PsychoSlashDot (207849) | about 8 months ago | (#46168035)

Now if the new improvement was that you only needed half of the detergent to get your whites whiter and therefore you'd spend half as much per load, sure, there'd be an argument.

This isn't that. This is the digital equivalent of "the box now has toxic printing on it, and the detergent inside has each granule conveniently packaged in concrete. But we provide you a small hammer."

Look, this is unpleasant to look at in at least four ways. The horizontal layout wastes a massive amount of screen space. The vertical layout wastes a massive amount of screen space. The background colour together with the default font reduce readability. And despite all of this, less information is shown at any given time.

Would you like us to disable UAC, DEP, and our antivirus software in order to use this too? Do we need root/administrator rights to view your site? Perhaps we need the latest beta of .NET or JRE?

My point is that this is a huge step backwards in usability. The point behind Chrome, Firefox, and IE reducing the amount of UX is to make it possible to display more content. Don't take the increased screen space created by making the status bar, menu bar, URL bar, title bar, tabs, buttons, and in fact UI of the browser and then show me reduced content.

You. Are. Doing. It. Wrong.

I. WILL. Leave.

Am I in some way unclear here? I'm not threatening. I'm calmly explaining. The content value of this site is not so high that I will tolerate this reduction in functionality. I know, I know. You've got some assclown marketing guy who tells you that we'll all just... give it one try, because we can't go without our fix. And we'll get used to it.

I'm informing you that I won't. On principle. Because if you're willing to say "fuck you" this loudly to me, I'm willing to say the same right back.

Sorry (1)

JasperHW (710218) | about 8 months ago | (#46168123)

No clue how to post my own thread since this interface is garbage. Beta needs to be scrapped. I'm not opposed to change, but christ, change is supposed to improve things.

Why ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46168249)

... is the new look only 60% of the browser width instead of 100%? ... are abbreviated comments gone? ... is the main menu floating suddenly right in the middle of this textarea after scrolling up and down while commenting? ... does a geek site have to follow the dumbed down tendency that all sites and apps currently seem to prefer?

No, trying to reply to story but unable, no 'post' (1)

K.os023 (1093385) | about 8 months ago | (#46168525)

This is incredibly bad. Please let us use the classic look and make this abomination 'opt-in' because I (and most other folks) do not want to have slashdot look like this, it's new for the sake of being new. It feels like someone's bad joke.

Where is the comment option? (1)

JWallyR (824828) | about 8 months ago | (#46168529)

Have comments been blocked on this story? I can't imagine why. All I can say is that I was forced to "reply" to the apparent parent post because I couldn't find the link in the shittastic interface to type my comment about how terrible the new interface is. Tons of wasted space (line spacing longer, blank white rectangle on the right side of the comments field below the sidebar, which itself shouldn't exist) all in the name of looking "modern". This "update" is a step down in every possible way from the previous interface, and the apparent refusal of the site administrators to abort this project speaks very poorly of the site's leadership. Been nice knowing you, Slashdot.

Hate the new design (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46168551)

Leave an option to stay with the old design please.....

just one reply ? (5, Interesting)

blackest_k (761565) | about 9 months ago | (#46147307)

i use the oldest version of the interface of the site i can, it works.
I'm surprised at a lack of comments on this story because there have been plenty universally disliking slashdot beta on many other stories, perhaps it is because nobody wants anything to do with slashdot beta it has no value.

Why not abandon it?
Seems probable that you will lose users by implementing it. which means less interesting posts, which means less reason to come here.

I have to say it is the comments that are interesting there are always new things, new software , recurring problems and peoples experience with these things, views, opinions methodology and insights help differentiate between whats worth spending time on , whats not and perhaps the best way to skin a cat.
by the later i mean problems you may have solved one way, someone else came up with a different way thats faster or easier or just inspires you to try something new.

of course there is a flood of crap that comes in other comments, and the usual troll posts but you skip them and find the good ones.

anyway that is the value in slashdot the comments and it's kept me reading and informed for years many years.
This beta program threatens to reduce the value of this site so perhaps you should reconsider before you lose the value in this site. Thats my opinion anyway and I actually care enough to say the beta program sucks because it will only lead to more crap and less insight. I guess slashdot will likely crash and burn eventually if the crap becomes too much but there is no need to put it into a nose dive, instead of gliding while you think of something to make it better.

If you want to make slashdot better how about a noise or spam filter, I don't mean site wide censorship. I mean a list of keywords that users can supply so say I have the filter "gay nigger" in place then I can have that comment removed from my page view maybe adjust the moderation downwards towards -2 maybe grey the text so i can see its there and read it if it makes some other post out of context. Or perhaps once a post infringes my crap filter all replies to it can also be greyed out.

Anyway my thoughts for what its worth.

Re:just one reply ? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46153419)

I hate the beta site (216.34.181.43) so much that I black listed it.

Re:just one reply ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46164055)

Thank you for taking the time to post this critique -- ditto. The beta design sucks IMO and wastes my time looking for the useful content.

Lurker here. (1)

Raelus (859126) | about 9 months ago | (#46164163)

I mainly lurk.

If I'm forced to use this interface that looks like some intern took a shit on Twitter Bootstrap, I'll be doing a lot less lurking.

DO NOT WANT.

Give us an option to use the old interface, at the very least.

don't like beta (1)

pen-helm (1619273) | about 8 months ago | (#46168427)

I don't like the new interface either. Like the old one.

Agreed (1)

bolek_b (246528) | about 9 months ago | (#46165349)

"THIS SITE IS OPTIMIZED FOR USER INTERFACE FORMERLY KNOWN AS METRO"

I dont know what motivation there is for such change. Maybe the architect of Flickr redesign was fired from Y! and landed here. Or the guy who made me use "the new, better, shiny GMail interface" much less than ever before, to the point of driving me off. My point would be that we don't need "presentation for easy information consumption". If there is a site for complex, in-depth, not-easily-understandable news, information and discussion, this is (or used to be) it. If I need easy-to-consume contents, I go to 9gag.

But this farce, where grey comment frames look like forgotten WebDeveloper frame mode... visual clutter, clutter everywhere. Hey, despite the teaching of modern UX dogmatics, even excessive use of whitespace may be perceived as clutter. I have 1920x1080 resolution, full-screen Firefox - and I see 5 comments per screen (3 of them are one-liners)!!

Just to be clear - I am not afraid of change. To prove it, I will simply stop coming here once the "Classic" option is removed. It didn't hurt when I did this with Flickr, I will survive without Slashdot too.

wtf is supposed to go in this box? (1)

orgelspieler (865795) | about 9 months ago | (#46165435)

I agree completely. I haven't posted to Flickr since that change, and I will probably drop Slashdot if they insist on making the comments unreadable. What's the point in taking up one third of the window with something that's not even visible down here?!

got to leave my 2 cents (1)

synapse7 (1075571) | about 9 months ago | (#46165547)

I really come here to read the comments for peoples insight. For some reason I have a hard time following the comments in the new format. If the classic site goes away, so do I.

I think the reason you have a hard time is because (1)

glavenoid (636808) | about 8 months ago | (#46168433)

(see comment title)

Re:I think the reason you have a hard time is beca (1)

glavenoid (636808) | about 8 months ago | (#46168695)

Oh great, I had a witty comment title in the beta thread but it breaks in the classic thread. Go figure.

Redesign antipattern (2)

bolek_b (246528) | about 9 months ago | (#46165671)

I thing pattern encyclopedists may start a new file. My proposal:

NAME: Stuffing a modern redesign down the users' throats
TYPE: Antipattern
ACTORS: Site owner, Audience
RECIPE: Take a popular web site. Apply a new design that consists of all hip and trendy aspects, such as big spacing, all-caps etc. Remove a couple of functions or provide some obstructions. Make it confusing and inefficient. In Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution style, remove all alternatives that could resemble old way of doing things. When userbase starts to complain, take a firm stance. Arrogance may be used to make the message clearer (get inspiration from Google UX butcher Jason Cornwell).
RESULT: Enjoy your new redesing. Additionally, you can expect lower costs for site operation, as there will be sharp drop in net traffic.

Re:Agreed (3, Insightful)

Somebody Is Using My (985418) | about 8 months ago | (#46166807)

I think their motivation is to make Slashdot a site that attracts the attention of CIOs and other C-level execs, and not the hobbyist or in-the-field grunt. Less information density means it is easier for these "hard-working" professionals to get their quick-tidbits of techie information without all that wasted time reading long articles or informative discussion. Less emphasis on the contributions of commenters puts more control (and ownership of material) in the hands of Dice editors. They want to be more like CIO Insight [cioinsight.com] and less like, well... the nerd-driven geek-infested Slashdot we have today. The latter attracts better-paying advertising.

Of course, in my opinion, they are going to lose the one thing that makes the website worth coming to - the commentors - and fail to gain their prospective audience. They are hoping to cash in on the Slashdot name but the market they are trying to enter is already overcrowded and the cachet of the Slashdot brand is not valued by anyone /except/ the geeks. So I don't expect the will have much success.

Certainly the new look is a major turn-off for me and - given the continued drop in quality of stories - the transition will probably be enough to force me to explore other alternatives (and judging by the comments I am not the only one who feels that way). However, as far as I am aware the code for the Slashdot website and moderation system is open source so hopefully somebody else will use that as the basis for a new and better "news for nerds" website.
 

Get rid of BETA entirely we don't want it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46165355)

Beta is 'eye candy' that takes up too much space. Get rid of it

stupid subject line (1)

Darinbob (1142669) | about 9 months ago | (#46166177)

No replies probably because I did not see this story on the RSS feed. I only found it after seeing the big giant "look at our new site!" blurb on top of the classic view.

Occasionally I would get beta look instead of the normal one and I hated it. Which means it is time for someone to step forward and say "you only hate it because you hate change", the pitiful defense often given to Windows 8 or Gnome WhateverVersion.

I see no advantages here. I see tons and tons of white space, because of adblock somewhat, but also because the borders are so huge. Borders do not shrink nicely as I shrink the window, instead they suddenly vanish just as the story column gets ridiculously narrow. When you make the windows larger the borders also get larger, which is absurd. The point of making the window larger is to see more stuff not more border.

And job ads? What the hell?!?!?

I don't know these other interfaces that people compare it to, but if flickr/twitter/whatever are as bad as this looks I'm amazed that they keep any visitors.

Oh well, it was a good run slashdot. Let us know where the funeral is and I'll send flowers.

(OMG I can't post without changing the subject line! Have they still not fixed that bug from last summer??)

Good Job Guys (1)

SamFad (3525693) | about 9 months ago | (#46155409)

I'm eagerly looking forward to Profile update

Re:Good Job Guys (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46165441)

Best. Troll. Ever.

Ignore your users (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46163945)

So despite the overwhelming majority of users hating and avoiding the Beta site and vocally objecting to it's "Web 2.0" uselessness, you're going to go-ahead with the transition anyway? Brilliant!

Used and abused. (1)

Achates (7572) | about 9 months ago | (#46164237)

That seems to be the course most websites follow now. The users can't possibly know what they want, so we'll give them what Marketing said was a good idea.

Marketing is never wrong.

blah blah subject line blah blah (3, Insightful)

Darinbob (1142669) | about 9 months ago | (#46166219)

This has been the course in web sites and UI design for at least 20 years. The users are irrelevant and just get in the way of the artists vision.

cleaner doesn't always mean better (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46164035)

The first thing I noticed... and I don't think its good, is that the
background colour of article titles has lost all of its (old) contrast.
It now blends into the 'detail line' below it.
[Green/gray versus the new gray/gray.]

This makes it harder to read/focus on what's important.

In other words, make sure that cleaner doesn't mean blander
and harder to visually parse.

re: cleaner doesn't always mean better (0) (1)

Ardyvee (2447206) | about 9 months ago | (#46164473)

Exactly this. It's too clean, so clean that it makes it rather annoying to look at. To read.

Also, please in the comments don't allow your editor to use times new roman. It looks ugly in a comment box and/or when you try to write html tags with it. And yes. I PLAN on using them for a long, long time.

Hit me at work yesterday (5, Insightful)

mcgrew (92797) | about 9 months ago | (#46164099)

No link to "classic", no link to log in, no link to actual comments, in fact the only links are to the front page, Dice Holdings, individual stories, and user profiles (other people's since it won't let me log in). They're using IE7.

I honestly think Dice bought slashdot to kill it. Have you guys seen even ONE comment in favor of your new shitty interface? I haven't, but I've seen a lot of AC comments cursing it and IMO, with good reason.

The new interface may chase me away from slashdot. It's that bad.

A functioning moderation system

You used to have one until you changed it so "funny" gained karma and changed/ruined metamoderation.

Comment filtering and threshold setting
Account sign-up
Password recovery (for when the inevitable happens)

We already have that! Damn it, slashdot, the only things that are broke are what you broke trying to fix something that functioned fine.

Further improvements to responsive design

If by "improvements" you mean that new shitty interface, no thank you. Take away classic view and I may leave for good.

general UI cleanup, as rendering and other kinks get straightened out thanks to your ongoing feedback

Don't you think you should fix that crap before forcing it on us?

Re:Hit me at work yesterday (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46164227)

The day I can't get to the better "classic" site no matter what I try will be the last day I ever see /.

If it ain't broke (1)

The123king (2395060) | about 9 months ago | (#46164967)

This. Whilst i'll admit, it's not a terrible design, this just reeks of change for the sake of change. Take a leaf out of 4chan's book. If it aint broke don't fix it.

Bingo! (1)

Cosmos_7 (128549) | about 9 months ago | (#46165333)

The new interface is terrible, and makes Slashdot just one more foofoo website in the sea of countless others. The day I'm forced off of the classic interface is the day I'm leaving and not coming back. Will be a sad day too considering I've been coming here for more than a decade, but c'est la vie.

Actual Feedback? (4, Insightful)

Anrego (830717) | about 9 months ago | (#46164127)

I don't normally make these kind of posts, but has _any_ of that feedback you claim to value been positive?

It seems universal. Everyone (including me) hating the beta site. Now there's always a group of people who hate everything new but eventually gets used to it, but this beta has been around long enough for people to get past that and move on to legitimate hate.

Usually when someone posts a comment saying site x just updated their layout and it sucks, you see a few replies along the lines of "it's different, but once you get used to it, it's not as bad/better". I don't see this here. I've yet to see a single reply defending the layout in the dozens of annoyed comments that pop up in every discussion when someone is forced to use the beta site.

I have feedback: I can't reply to this post direct (1)

denis-The-menace (471988) | about 9 months ago | (#46165877)

I have feedback: I can't reply to this post directly.
I have to reply to another post to write anything.

I hope someone is making money on this forced change.
Money of the golden parachute variety.

Why not have a poll on this change?
Why is it needed?
Does it save bandwidth?
Does it enable changes that users have been clamouring for? (What changes?)

Or does it just give the CEO's son some job experience?

It's all about the hierarchy of comments (5, Insightful)

tooyoung (853621) | about 9 months ago | (#46164219)

I use classic mode and perhaps have some setting that preserves some older layout. The thing that I like about the older layout is that I can get a real sense of the conversation that is taking place by seeing the hierarchy of comments. I may only be primarily reading +4 and +5 comments, but I can instantly see where they fit in the conversation. Perhaps someone posted a +5, was replied to for two levels, and then someone posted a +4. Showing the hierarchy allows me to instantly understand where the +4 was in relation to the +5, and if I wish, I can quickly open one of the intermediate parents in a new tab, allowing me to view its siblings as well.

This works well for how I read slashdot - I scan down the page for interesting comments, and then open some of the summarized lower level children in a new tab and read through them. If someone posted an interesting point, it is easy for me to view all of the replies.

Admittedly, I have not used the beta much, but I have not been able to figure out how to read in my style. Say that I am reading at the +4 comment level. I have no way of discerning if a particular child comment is replying to the +4/5 parent above it, or if there are several intermediate posts. I have no way to see all of the replies to a particular post.

My experience with classic mode is that I'm reading a conversation, and I have a choice of where I want to dig in further to the conversation. My experience with beta mode is that I'm just reading a bunch of random comments with no good understanding of their relation to each other.

This. Exactly this. (5, Insightful)

demontechie (180612) | about 9 months ago | (#46164405)

The conversational hierarchy and non-wasteful layout is what made Slashdot something I'd come back to every day. It is unfathomable to me why there is any principled desire (other than the possibility of simply wanting to end the site, in which case, just go ahead and do it) to switch to this new waste of space and context. Even the little details are wrong too: e.g. no uid display on posts - why? All those little contextual bits are part of interpreting the conversation.

I've been reading, commenting and moderating for a long time now, but if this is going to be the new slashdot without any option to keep the old format, then I'm probably done. And from what I'm reading here I wouldn't be the only one.

If even Google can admit they were wrong with their News revamp and eventually allow a rollback to the classic view, surely whomever is driving this revamp could perhaps acknowledge that keeping people around by not throwing out the old version could be a beneficial business decision? Or do I perhaps hope too much...

p.s. how exactly is one supposed to produce line breaks in this new message window? They seem entirely random in the preview.

Re:This. Exactly this. (1)

Tackhead (54550) | about 8 months ago | (#46166827)

The conversational hierarchy and non-wasteful layout is what made Slashdot something I'd come back to every day. It is unfathomable to me why there is any principled desire (other than the possibility of simply wanting to end the site, in which case, just go ahead and do it) to switch to this new waste of space and context. Even the little details are wrong too: e.g. no uid display on posts - why? All those little contextual bits are part of interpreting the conversation.

That. Exactly that.

It should work without Javascript.

It needs to accurately display usernames, userIDs, and timestamps, so that we can know who posted what, and when. Resolution of "an hour" isn't good enough. Resolution of "a day / week / year" is useless. You have the timestamps, display them.

It needs to avoid the infinite-scroll paradigm. This may shock your UX people, but some of us try to read Slashdot for its comments. Some threads are hundreds of posts long. "View all" shouldn't just view the first unknowable-number-of-comments (it's not displayed), and then present another AJAXy "load more" (how many more? out of how many? For a 500-post thread, will I have to PgDn/LoadMoar once? twice? twenty times? a hundred times?) button. It should, you know, LOAD ALL comments.

Please abort this design. Revert it. Pay the guy who did it. Heck, keep him on staff and let him redesign UIs for another year if he's got the political pull to keep his job.

But please, whatever you do, do not push this beta live. You are about to do to /. what Digg did to itself, and for absolutely no reason whatsoever. (Unless the decision's already been made that /. can't be monetized and that the goal is actually to drive enough users away that you can shut it down without anybody missing what it had become. If that's the real motivation that Dice has here, go ahead and bring Beta live, because you will be shutting the site down within a year of this Beta going live.)

Frankly, if driving away enough traffic to justify shutting down the site is the motivation - and it's the only motivation that jibes with your damn-the-universal-100%-negative-feedback - you'd be better served by simply pulling the plug today.

Re:This. Exactly this. (1)

BeerCat (685972) | about 8 months ago | (#46166875)

And more this.

OK, so maybe displaying the UID "takes up too much space" - except that the large font (is there a way of changing it without changing it in your browser?) means there is already "too much space" - except this is wasted.

Not defaulting the parent posts's subject is an annoyance (but might encourage some "maybe my reply should have a different title" - except that breaks the thought flow when wanting a quick reply).

And all wasted space was in "beta-classic" view - the headlines only is too little info, while the tiles means even less information on screen.

How about looking at the BBC News website (and mobile version), to see how you can have a lot of information (on a non-mobile), and have a reasonable slew of clickable/movable icons for the mobile version. This comes across as the worst aspects of a desktop and a mobile site... The Windows 8 of blog sites, even

bingo (1)

bmajik (96670) | about 9 months ago | (#46164429)

this is precisely how I use classic mode.

At one point, there was a newer mode where there was some kind of slider control that was supposed to be used to control what comments were displayed. I've never had that control work on any browser I've tried it with.

The ui showing on beta right now (as I write this comment) doesn't seem like an improvement. The outline boxes are distracting, the grey background is distracting. The lack of contrast in the UI makes it mentally taxing to navigate the structure of the conversation.

Can I get the following UI points ?
- black text on white background
- contrasting background color for comment "headers" (title, moderation score, etc)

Well said, wish I had mod points. (1)

FeriteCore (25122) | about 9 months ago | (#46166485)

Oh, and by the way, if this is supposed to make it better for tablet and smart phone users - it doesn't.

Information density and presentation is even more important on the smaller screens.

Agreed (1)

Optic7 (688717) | about 8 months ago | (#46167055)

I also want to add my vote against this design. I'm not a web designer, so can't give detailed suggestions about the design, but I agree with what tooyoung described above and with what valdrax described below, along with a few others. I think it boils down to:

Too much white space - use the screen as much as possible for the relevant information.
Not enough information - where is all the info on replies, post numbers, relationship, uid number, etc?
Loss of functionality - how do I open an entire branch of a thread to read? How do I even change my account settings?

Achievements? Really? Is this an xbox fansite now?

Sorry, but the new design is pretty terrible.

PS: Why does my post lose the blank lines I added between paragraphs?

Let me put it this way. (5, Insightful)

Valdrax (32670) | about 9 months ago | (#46164351)

If you don't leave "Classic" Slashdot as a default option, there is a good chance that I will not read the site anymore. The new Slashdot look is barren and space-inefficient (so much freaking scrolling!). While it has largely stopped looking like it was wholeheartedly committed to hiding the fact that there's any content on the stories, it's a serious lose-lose downgrade in usability in exchange for a blandness of visual appeal.

The good news is that you've improved it to the point that it's only a "chance" and not an absolute certainty that I will logout and not login again, like I did for several years after the last major interface "upgrade." On the other hand, the big difference is that I've finally gotten around to reading reddit, so I don't really need Slashdot anymore when you finally impact in this slow motion train wreck that everyone here is trying futilely to warn agaist.

You want some feedback? Fine.

1. Use less vertical space. You waste too much space above and below text and within it by 1.5 spacing everything. You also squeeze out 1/3 of the horizontal space on the comment section. This does not flow well, and it tires the scroll wheel finger. It also makes nested comments feel really disconnected from the (now several screen back) parent comment, and the layout is a cruel joke on cellphones. You get a comment nested three under a top-level comment, and it only displays as a column of single words. Maybe you think I'm hammering this point too much, but it's a major factor in why the new site is an abomination of design. Increase your information density. Don't water it down. You serve a technical community, and we don't appreciate having to jump through extra hoops to get at the same thing.

2. Your moderation popup should pop upwards when it's at the bottom of the current screen. It's irritating to have to scroll down to moderate after having to scroll so much to read a comment in the first place.

3. The reply to a comment form seems to indicate that you should reply in the subject line instead of in the body. Consider filling in the subject line like the old system does rather than just telling people to reply there.

4. You've taken away a lot comment formatting options, apparently. Not only do you no longer present the "Plain Old Text" v. "Extrans", etc. options and fail to tell the users what is allowed, but you take away several of the old tags that work just fine in the old layout, like <i&gt. For reasons. Why would you take functionality away from the users of a tech-focused site? Do you think we need hand-holding? Do you have GNOME developers on your staff?

5. On the note of formatting options, your site still can't handle Unicode after years of people complaining. Quit spending so much effort on crappy decoration, and shore up your foundation first. UTF-8 is over 20 years old now. You have no excuses except laziness and a misguided belief that flash and flair are more important than solid fundamentals.

But the most important point is #1. The site looks like a vast wasteland of nothing than to your excessively spaced style-sheet. Fix it or lose readers.

Re:Let me put it this way. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46164807)

I'd like to add that it's just brain-dead how the summaries get cut off after six lines regardless of their length. Period. Which usually hacks them off mid-sentence. And the 'from-department' stuff is now behind the 'read more' link (minor, sure, but still annoying). Hiding the complete summary behind a click is a very scuzzy move that makes browsing more difficult and time consuming.

I won't bother reading the rest of your post... (1)

urbanriot (924981) | about 8 months ago | (#46167071)

... because I expect I'll enthusiastically agree with you, especially after reading "If you don't leave "Classic" Slashdot as a default option, there is a good chance that I will not read the site anymore." One of the reasons I come to Slashdot is the condensed nature of the site, the efficient design, and the ability to see snippets of other news sites on the side.

I'm rather angry with you for encouraging me to use this beta site more than I want to.

Perhaps this is a basic level computer class design project and it's leading up to a long buildup April fools joke?

I don't complain very often... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46168213)

I don't complain very often- I'm pretty easy to please.... but MY GOODNESS this is AWFUL.

IT SUCKS IT SUCKS IT SUCKS IT SUCKS (4, Insightful)

MightyMartian (840721) | about 9 months ago | (#46164951)

I'd like to go into a deep analysis, but others have done it, so let me just state things plainly.

IT FUCKING SUCKS!

not good. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46165143)

Agree.

MOD PARENT UP (1)

optimus2861 (760680) | about 8 months ago | (#46167993)

"FUCKING SUCKS" really says all that needs to be said.

Please retain "classic" as a option (1)

ACorrosionOfDeviants (877893) | about 9 months ago | (#46165271)

Please, please, please do not remove "classic".

Please do feel free to experiment with other design OPTIONS. I don't understand the appeal myself, but perhaps they can bring in new readership and sponsorship -- that would be fine. But please do not FORCE me to use those designs by taking away classic and the functionality that I most value.

Sincerely,
A concerned reader of many years.

Keep Classic! (1)

allo (1728082) | about 9 months ago | (#46165691)

Keep it, the beta is just ugly and not very usable.

"Your feedback is very valuable to us"?? (1)

M. Baranczak (726671) | about 9 months ago | (#46165843)

The feedback has been unanimously negative, and they've been ignoring it so far. I could take the time to explain all the problems in detail, but there's no point, so I'll just give the executive summary: IT SUCKS.

Why a lousy mailto link for feedback? (1)

2phar (137027) | about 9 months ago | (#46166041)

Scared to try a Slashdot poll? oh and my $0.02 : Stick with the existing UI, this new one is awful.

Re:"Your feedback is very valuable to us"?? (2)

Somebody Is Using My (985418) | about 8 months ago | (#46167007)

It's actually rather amazing how universal the dislike of the new design is.

Usually when there is a change like this, you get the normal uproar amongst existing users decrying the change while a small minority chirps in - whether because they are new, or shills, or honestly see advantage to the updated format - offering an alternate opinion.

But since Beta slashdot was introduced, I can't remember seeing ONE voice speak up in favor of the change. Not /one/. It is absolutely and totally hated by the current user base.

And yet they are continuing to move forward with it.

I can't help but see similarities here between beta slashdot and "Metro" design of Windows 8. Not only do both share design similarities (not least of which is the pointlessness of the upgrade) but the people behind the change seem to be actively working against what their current users want.

It boggles the mind.

My email would basically say the same... this is h (1)

urbanriot (924981) | about 8 months ago | (#46167019)

There's nothing positive I have to say about this layout. It's not because I don't like change or 'new things', rather I hate when something good is replaced with something foul. This site is losing an extremely efficient design that scaled well regardless of the device I viewed it on and replacing it with a gigantic ugly page that I'll be avoiding once it changes.

This is the Windows 8 of Slashdot... and that's being generous to Slashdot. Perhaps Titanic will be more apt after the change is instituted...?

The Beta site is fucking awful (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46166045)

Why the hell are you persisting in this abortion of a design? It is in general unusal, unreadable crap. You have so many of your readers (ie, the thing that mkaes htis site of any value to advertisers) screaming how fucking bad it is and yet you are plainly not listening - you are alienating the technical audience that you should be keeping.

Stop. Just fucking stop. Admit the new UI is a misreble failure and try to keep users by leavign Classic and having better story selection while you are at it.

You're being kind (1)

jbeaupre (752124) | about 9 months ago | (#46166223)

There aren't enough expletives to cover how bad this UI is. And I checked: http://www.noswearing.com/dict... [noswearing.com]

Re:You're being kind (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | about 9 months ago | (#46166429)

Just imagine what will happen when some applies Rule 34 to the beta UI

Hear hear! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46167073)

As a long time Slashdot lurker (15+ years) this is the first time I have been angry with this incarnation of the site UI and UX. Its got too many design elements and inconsistent interaction elements that needed to be fixed. Since I cant read the comments here properly (too much white compared to text hurting my eyes) I'll add on my comments.

The most glaring one is the amount of unnecessary whitespace the new UI is taking, its showing even less information in the screen compared to classic. Too much whitespace for an information dense site. This is not Engadget or similar, where the focus is more on the article image rather than the news content. This applies for both frontpage (around the article content) and article page. Squash any unnecessary whitespace between the texts (title, date, article), make title a few notches smaller. Same goes for the comment ares.

The choice of font intermixed with the two colours (black and lightish green) are making interesting weird optical effects, the green text looking smaller than the black text. Try a darker green or the same green as classic.

Its very hard to see the buttons/interaction elements in the comments section including grey ones (cancel for eg).

The more you look at it, Slashdot classic still gets a lot of things right even it had gone through a number of changes over the year. The new Slashdot UI is psychologically damaging in some aspects, that it needs to learn from Slashdot classic rather than start on a new slate.

No BETA (1)

clutch68rs (991757) | about 8 months ago | (#46167629)

Change is natural, but the current Beta site is horrid. Please, go back and do it right.

So, where are we going? (1)

drussell (132373) | about 8 months ago | (#46168263)

I'm out of here... I've grown tired of this constant garbage... Where to next, any ideas, anyone??

(They'll never post this as a topic, so please try to reply for the good of the community!)

TTFN

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