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Slashdot Blackout: Suggestion:Keep the dates the same.

Chacham (981) writes | more than 10 years ago

User Journal 8

Was just reading Heliocentric's Journal on The Slashdot Blackout of 2004. The history is mentioned there. The orignal dates in 2002 were April 21-27, to be Sunday through Saturday. Heliocentric wants to change that to this month. I disagree on two points.

Was just reading Heliocentric's Journal on The Slashdot Blackout of 2004. The history is mentioned there. The orignal dates in 2002 were April 21-27, to be Sunday through Saturday. Heliocentric wants to change that to this month. I disagree on two points.

One, the idea of a Slashdot Bloackout is interesting. However, if people call it for specific reasons, it begins to be silly. The reasons themselves stir people to do it, yet it is actually done for two main reasons. One, to show people a stance, which is noticed by admins with the lost load, and the people with the lost comments, and two, to mess with the moderation system, which is decided based upon the heavy usage. Should the "heavy" users be perturbed and decide to participate in the blackout, the "moderate" users become the extremists, and that jiggles the system.

Therefore, calling it for a reason is something i object to. People should advocate the reasons to get people perturbed, but ultimately the reason it is done is because people are perturbed, regardless of the actual reason. As such, changing the date would seem incongruous with its goal.

Two, changing the date based on who calls it would seemingly not be effective. Should a blackout actually work, others would want to call it on their dates, and unless people follow a specific leader, the blackouts wouldn't be at the same time, and it would not be effecticve. Thus the contradiction. If it is not effective, it is all on the same date. If it is effective, people will have it on different dates. Considering this problem, changing the date would be a "Bad Thing". Let's leave it where it is, at April 21-27, whatever days of the week they fall upon in any given year.

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obviously I disagree (1)

heliocentric (74613) | more than 10 years ago | (#8422599)

This isn't some annual event to be held in rememberance of our fallend soldiers. There wasn't one of these last year. The reasons that I gathered for the first one still exist and there wasn't a second one suggested even for those same reasons.

Also, remember that Thanksgiving in US-land is not on the same date, just a relative offset.

As for your post in my JE about it, I thought long and hard, and I was leaning towards using the exact same dates. Not to carry on any tradition, just since it was simply done before. Then I noticed on my calendar that it lined up interestingly with March days and I liked how it was a Sunday / Saturday deal, not some offset of a week.

I say to each his own. I've had my own complaints and now that I've been seeing a growing interest in similar complaints I thought it might be time to act on this idea.

To have an annual protest on the same day every year loses meaning. It is then like earth day, you just give into the whinners once a year and then the rest of the time you don't care. But, if enough people get together when there is something that they feel is important to them and have an "Earth Day," well, I take that with a little more meaning.

Re:obviously I disagree (1)

Chacham (981) | more than 10 years ago | (#8422691)

To have an annual protest on the same day every year loses meaning

Au contraire. Having it on the same day gives it meaing. All reasons are let out on the same day, and it is a sign that people have thought out frustrations, and are not just responding in a knee-jerk fashion. You yourself mentioned that you wanted it closer so people would not "forget". I propose a similar time frame, but sooner, otherwise this idea may be forgotten.

But, if enough people get together when there is something that they feel is important to them and have an "Earth Day," well, I take that with a little more meaning.

That's for a specific reason. And, that wouldn't be a blackout. That's simply more of a protest. A difference is that protestors would not reall be subscribers. It's not a contradition for blackout particpants to be subscribers.

Re:obviously I disagree (1)

SolemnDragon (593956) | more than 10 years ago | (#8422833)

well, figure it out, folks. Unless you come to a consensus, i'm not doing either.

sol

Re:obviously I disagree (1)

Chacham (981) | more than 10 years ago | (#8423214)

well, figure it out, folks. Unless you come to a consensus, i'm not doing either

I'm not arguing. I'm *suggesting*. Personally, i think his idea is doomed to failure, for the reasons stated.

I still have to decide if i want to particpate at all. :)

Re:obviously I disagree (1)

heliocentric (74613) | more than 10 years ago | (#8423109)

The thing about the forgotten was a (failed) joke. I see now in rereading it how so. I posted that at like 3AM my time. Please forgive me.

Re:obviously I disagree (1)

Chacham (981) | more than 10 years ago | (#8423247)

The thing about the forgotten was a (failed) joke.

Ah. Sure didn't seem like one. :) I do think it is a valid point, just one that is incongruent with the purpose.

Well, it's up to the response of the many. What i personally think won't change much. :-P

Re:obviously I disagree (1)

heliocentric (74613) | more than 10 years ago | (#8424502)

Yeah, there was a passing thought at one point like "but, if we do it tomorrow no one will see, better to have it in advance, it was like this time of year last time... I wonder" and when I saw the dates it clicked for the matching with another (although closer) month. This isn't a hurry up and get it over with, but I didn't want to beat a dead horse by the time this came to fruition. You are welcome to Blackout Slashdot whenever and however you choose, for whatever reasons. I just think it would be a neat idea to break the norm of the class system for n00b, middle (aka good), and obsessed.

Picking a day means little to me other than not too soon, but planning for something like this years in advance also seems over board. Enough time to get the word out is all we need. Picking the same day to me means you wish to do the same thing. Like creating a new holidy to honor immigrants, but not just the pilgrims and having it on the same day as US Thanksgiving seems counter productive. To me (IMHO) it would just be absorbed into what was already laid down. While what I proposed involves similar work (ie, none) the goals, metrics, and reasons differ.

There are many big automobile races in the US: The Daytona 500 and the Indy 500 come to mind. While they both involved four wheeled cars going around an oval thing the two have many other differences. They are each special in their own way. While I understand the arguments about the subscription system, and the plums (while we may not have known about them specifically at the time two years ago, the conept of a class system was debated then) of the Blackout two years ago and I still have feelings for them today, no one seems to be discussing it.

Plus, after the apparent "failure" of that blackout by the measures used then I don't see much reason to continue to work on that. We tried. If one wishes to try again, great. Let's hear about it. IMHO it won't do much more unless you change your metrics to include "getting the word out." You way wish to incorporate your goals and issues with what I have put down, but be warned of your ideas being mixed with mine and potentially your message being lost. Ideas are welcome, but that doesn't mean they will all get equal press.

Re:obviously I disagree (1)

Chacham (981) | more than 10 years ago | (#8424596)

Interesting.

I have nothing to respond, but i appreciate the input. :)
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